[Mid^Seier] but i see this: i'm using my first and only nuke and war
[Mid^Seier] booo
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Workers have a "Clear Pollution" ability
[^Tusk^] evening all
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] it takes some time, but you can have more than one worker on a tile.
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Using nukes doesn't necessarily precipitate war with everyone but in my case I was on shaky ground with all the other civs....
[VolcanoHead] can situations exist when global warming can work as a relative advantage for some weaker civ's? A last ditch strategy perhaps?
[Gramphos] How many turn to clear pollution. Does it depend on how long it has been polluted?
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[ACS_MarkG] Speaking of workers: are their automation better this time? ;)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] I automate workers exclusively....
[Mid^Seier] mike when citizens are mutining i must build a temple or other staff or maybe i can kill tem and....;))))?
[JonahFalcon] So do I
[JonahFalcon] EXCEPT
[JonahFalcon] Sometimes I want to buid a road from a to b
[Mid^Seier] "tem"=]"them"
[JonahFalcon] Mike: You MUST put in a command for a worker to build a road to a to B
[ACS_MarkG] good to hear!
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] I think that time is set, though it could vary (captured workers work slower, industrious civ bonus speeds them up)
[Patrick_Dawson] There are many ways to handle civil disorder, anything that contributes to happiness will benefit you
[JonahFalcon] Also, where the heck is "Go To "?!??!
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Ctrl-R = Build Road To
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] ctrl-shift-g to go to city
[Mid^Seier] b=build city?
[JonahFalcon] ah
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Yes
[JonahFalcon] yes
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] though I'm not sure if that is documented...
[scientific_civ] i never automate settlers. in civ2, that didnt word at all. they just walked around and built irrigation and no roads on many squares
[Mid^Seier] Bike_Mreitkreutz
[Mid^Seier] upz
[Mid^Seier] sorry
[JonahFalcon] There is one page in the manual with keyboard shortcuts
[The_Eli] Hi all
[MadLordSnapcase] Yup.
[JonahFalcon] It would have been nice to see it online
[LoQtus] can you change keyboard shortcuts or are they hardcoded?
[Mid^Seier] eli you got my PM?
[VolcanoHead] is using workers to build forest and then clear forest cyclically an effective way to increase production?
[Mid^Seier]
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] I side with scientific, and manage all my workers, but the automated workers do a decent job
[JonahFalcon] hard
[The_Eli] Yes, and replied. ;)
[JonahFalcon] harcdcoded Volanco
[JonahFalcon] Well, I'm sure there is an INI or editor somewhere to change it...
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] It would have been nicer to have buttons for all the commands but many of the commands weren't added until we were playtesting and we got feedback from the testers....
[JonahFalcon] but why bother?
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] there are two civilopedia hot-keys entries.
[scientific_civ] javier, do u mean in civ 2 or 3
[LoQtus] i assume that was for me, jonah...
[ACS_MarkG] How many testers did you have?
[JonahFalcon] Mike: Just so you know, Brian Rubin will be reviewing Civ III for GamePen (www.gamepen.com)
[Gelly_Milmore] hi again
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] I manage all my workers in civ 2 & 3
[JonahFalcon] We hope to have the review up by the Friday after this coming Friday.
[JonahFalcon] Javier: You must love micromanaging :p :)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] We had 4 dedicated testers on site and 20+ at Infogrames plus Jeff Morris and the programmers at various times
[scientific_civ] jonah, yeah me too.
[Patrick_Dawson] Micromanaging can be very powerful if you have specific goals for each city
[The_Eli] Something I was always wondering about, what was Sid Meier doing?
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] well guys, it's time for us to go. We have a programmer meeting, but we'll try to come back later
[scientific_civ] never use dovernors either
[JonahFalcon] He was the guy with the whip, Eli, in the office
[LoQtus] bye...
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] thanks for having us.
[VolcanoHead] Many thanks!
[JonahFalcon] He gave Mike and company stale bread and water...
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Hey we've got a meeting to go to -- we'll try to pop back in later...
[LoQtus] thanks for coming
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Thanks for having us
[StarBegotten] cheers!
[ACS_MarkG] Ok, guys, thanks for joining us!
[Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis1] Good luck to those of you playing civ, and also to those of you waiting to play
[JonahFalcon] And threatened to put people in The Box for disobeying.
[ACS_MarkG] Congrats on the release again!
[MadLordSnapcase] Have a nice "meeting"...
[JonahFalcon] That answer your question, Eli?
[The_Eli] No.
[JonahFalcon] Sid Meier oversaw the design
[JonahFalcon] That was his job.
[The_Eli] I wanted to know about his part in the game itself.
[Carlos113] bye
[JonahFalcon] I just told you.
[MadLordSnapcase] I thought his job was playtesting...
[|Mankind|] hes part in the game.....
[scientific_civ] i probably still have to wait 2 weeks before playing civ3 (wiping my tears out of my face)
[|Mankind|] ?
[|Mankind|] well
[Patrick_Dawson] He is the science advisor :)
[JonahFalcon] Bye, Mark
[|Mankind|] he probably ....?????
[Roman] See you later, people!
[scientific_civ] I DONT NEED SCIENCE ADVISORS
[LoQtus] BRB
[VolcanoHead] Anyone here got the game and tried doing forest clearing/building for shields?
[scientific_civ] scientific supriority wins every gam
[|Mankind|] i know|!
[VolcanoHead] oh, and good q's Mark...
[scientific_civ] do you recieve shields for clearing forests in civ3?
[MadLordSnapcase] So, everyone who was here the full hour (because they saw through MarkG's obfuscation attempts ;-)), what interesting stuff was revealed?
[|Mankind|] he was eating donutz for the rest of team;)
[Guest18995] Does anyone know if Wal-Mart has the game yet?
[VolcanoHead] YES
[Taliseian] The problem that Yin mentioned about Cruise Missiles was a reviewer's mistake
[scientific_civ] it better be
[Guest18995] Cool. If that's true I'll pick up the game after work
[Stefu] Bah, partying with me not having Civ3 UNTIL MONTH FROM NOW!
[VolcanoHead] No it wasn't. cruise missiles are like artillery pieces, is what I understood...
[scientific_civ] what? can u use them multiple times?
[Taliseian] right....you have to "launch" them.....if they are moved on the ground, they have an effective 0 defense
[ProvostHarrison] Good evening!
[MadLordSnapcase] Hiya, Rich.
[VolcanoHead] hello provost
[Carlos113] hi
[Guest18995] Laughs at Stefu
[scientific_civ] but if you stop on a empty tile, wont it crash becuase of fuel shortage??
[ProvostHarrison] So what is goin' down here?
[VolcanoHead] sorry that yes before was to the fact forest clearing produces shields, not wall mart.
[ProvostHarrison] Hello Stefu!
[ProvostHarrison] My cantaloupesque one ;-)
[Taliseian] I don't think it's using "fuel" along the ground......IIRC, that's the equivalent of troops transporting it
[ProvostHarrison] I have the pdf of the manual now, but alas not adobe acrobat reader. Doh! Downloading it as we speak!
[Gramphos] What is the red line in this screen? http://www.avault.com/reviews/avscreenshot.asp?pic=civ3&num=7
[scientific_civ] can aircraft still crash bescuase of fuel shortage? i heard they have an operational range
[ProvostHarrison] So what happens with deforestation then? And if forest a distinct terrain type because I thought I had noticed a different underlying terrain a la Colonization?
[scientific_civ] like plains in civ@?
[scientific_civ] 2
[scientific_civ] scifi games in ToT had grassland
[MadLordSnapcase] You can clear and plant forest, I think.
[MadLordSnapcase] Why, didn't you read the manual? ;-o
[scientific_civ] no, i believe you cant plant
[ProvostHarrison] Still downloading Acrobat Reader, duh :-p
[Gregurabi] does it work like SMAC, where the forest sits on top of a variable terrain square, or like Civ2 where clearing a forest always gives a Grassland?
[Gregurabi] (or was it Plains?)
[The_Eli] LOL! Thanks to who Provost? :p
[scientific_civ] i have no manual, i have to wait a tooooo long time
[ProvostHarrison] Thankyou Eli! (Bah!)
[ProvostHarrison] ;-)
[scientific_civ] gregurabi, forest gave plains in civ2
[VolcanoHead] can somone with the game confirm or deny that forests can be grown and cleared for shields?
[Gregurabi] and if they're cleared, what do you get?
[Gramphos] Provost, did you get ColMap patch4?
[MadLordSnapcase] Hiya Sn00py...
[Sn00py] hey
[Sn00py] bugger
[Icedan] someone has my nick
[ProvostHarrison] I haven't yet Gramph, haven't had the chance...
[scientific_civ] i think its cool if it gave different tiles. but cant you see whats underneath like colonize?
[ProvostHarrison] The dastardly swines!
[MadLordSnapcase] Well, what are you gonna settle for, Loki?
[Icedan] LOL
[Icedan] How can you keep track of all my names?
[Icedan] Even I don't remember them all
[Icedan] hey does anyone know what program they used to make the units?
[ixnay37] whoo...i'm back
[ProvostHarrison] Are you looking at this MarkG?
[ixnay37] got the game
[ProvostHarrison] Bah!
[ixnay37] man, thats a long hike to the mall
[Icedan] Has this chat just started or?
[Gramphos] No, it has lasted for 1 hour 20 minutes
[Stefu] Suck!
[Icedan] oh so that's why it's slow..
[ProvostHarrison] Doh! I didn't realise it started at 7. I was thinking we were still on BST!
[Gramphos] Stefu, how did your Swedish homework do?
[Osweld] boy, the civ3 forums have sure gone to hell
[Icedan] it's a shame I didn't come in when it started
[Osweld] I bet it will just be a cess poll of idiocy for the next couple of years now... that seems to happen with most official game forums.
[scientific_civ] i mixed up gmt and est . i came an hour alte
[Icedan] But it's good that I came in now, coz I thought I was supposed to come in about 15 hours from now
[Icedan] lol
[StarBegotten] the programmers said they'd be back
[VolcanoHead] ciao tutti...
[ProvostHarrison] Good, now MarkG has disappeared, has anyone found a Warez site with Civ3?
[ProvostHarrison] :evilgrin:
[Icedan] yup!
[ProvostHarrison] Yes?
[MadLordSnapcase] Really?
[Gramphos] Mark Made a bobo, see this thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30976
[Icedan] it's my birthday Today's Birthdays: Alexnm (31), Coug (23), Makeo (26), Sn00py (22), :D!!!
[MadLordSnapcase] Cough it up, Loki!
[Icedan] hold on I will check it out again
[Osweld] I found an ISO last night...
[ProvostHarrison] .4LINK! LINK! LINK! LINK! ....
[Jeff_Morris] Hey guys!
[Osweld] nope, no link :P
[ProvostHarrison] ISO? Damn, I couldn't find any of this stuff!
[Icedan] oooh.. I better be quiet now LOL
[Jeff_Morris] Is this the place?
[Icedan] Hi Jeff
[Osweld] if you are going to cheat, you could atleast do the work yourself
[MadLordSnapcase] Alright, who's Jeff_Morris?
[Gramphos] Hi Jeff.
[Gramphos] What is the red line in this screen? http://www.avault.com/reviews/avscreenshot.asp?pic=civ3&num=7
[Jeff_Morris] Is this the party?
[ProvostHarrison] Awww, come on, I am sure you can 'retrace your steps'
[Icedan] no the party is next door
[MadLordSnapcase] I thought all the Firaxians were in a "meeting".
[ProvostHarrison] LOL
[Osweld] I know exactly where it is, I'm just not going to tell you :P
[Stefu] Gramphos: Haven't got it back yet.
[Gramphos] Well, you are kind of late the other Firaxians have left
[Jeff_Morris] Not me...working on some paperwork
[Icedan] Aiyah, the site it's on is slow as anything..
[Jeff_Morris] Feh
[StarBegotten] they are (the Firaxians), but they said they'd be back
[ProvostHarrison] OK
[Jeff_Morris] Some programming meeting is going down...must be that
[ProvostHarrison] Sounds good.
[scientific_civ] gramphos, its the route a unit' gonna walk
[ACS_MarkG] why arent you there Jeff? :)
[ProvostHarrison] Jeff, can you send a copy of civ3 to a poor Englishman?
[Jeff_Morris] Engine work...not my cup of tea
[ProvostHarrison] We don't get it here until the 16th :(
[Osweld] can't you order it from an online store?
[StarBegotten] yeah Infogrammes suck!
[ProvostHarrison] Nah, NA sites will only ship to NA addresses.
[Icedan] Name one publisher that doesn't suck
[Osweld] there must be some company that would be willing to send it to you...
[ProvostHarrison] Yeah, I really am very disappointed with Infogrames...
[StarBegotten] ..... nope you've got me! :)
[ProvostHarrison] Nope...
[Jeff_Morris] They're ok
[Gramphos] I can't figure out why it is so mush cheeper in UK then in the US
[ProvostHarrison] Snapcase, how is your Amazon order going?
[Jeff_Morris] a little big and a little french
[Jeff_Morris] but they are pretty good at somethings
[ProvostHarrison] Well we still don't have the game here, and no means of getting it yet except warez...
[Jeff_Morris] ea has their stregths too
[StarBegotten] ea? dont make me laugh!
[Jeff_Morris] They nail worldwide ships!
[MadLordSnapcase] My Amazon order seems to work OK...
[scientific_civ] aaah. i got a math test tomorrow (its 9.30 here) gotta go. bye
[ACS_MarkG] Hey Jeff, a question i wanted to ask the guys but they left: Will you be releasing that "civ2-to-civ3 scenario convertor" that Jeff Briggs had mentioned in a PCGamer article?
[Jeff_Morris] We looked into it and it proved too different. Maybe on future products, but right now nobody is assigned to work on it
[Jeff_Morris] Would be cool
[ACS_MarkG] indeed. all these scenarios....
[Stefu] Hey Jeff, how 'bout a Winter War scenario? Ahh, the Winter War. Some recognition of Finland, on account of we getting the damn thing too late!
[Icedan] Jeff, there are a few bugs, are they going to be fixed?
[Jeff_Morris] The art formats are pretty different...even if we could get a map converter, it probably wouldn't handle all the mods
[ProvostHarrison] Well I am sure we will have more scenarios springing up before we know it...
[Gramphos] Mark, how long is the party lasting? (officially) (I'll party more when I have the game.)
[RodLosAngeles] ok people, little sensitivity plz, very annoyed person here
[ProvostHarrison] Yeah, we have a long wait...
[RodLosAngeles] .2grrrrrr
[Jeff_Morris] We've already fixed about 23 bugs and are working on about 20 more...we wantedto wait and see what ship bugs were determined before starting the sign-off process
[ProvostHarrison] Why are you annoyed Rod?
[ixnay37] well, i must go play
[ixnay37] ha ha ha
[RodLosAngeles] my civ3 arrived at *30AM
[Icedan] great to hear
[RodLosAngeles] 8:30AM
[ProvostHarrison] .4BAH!
[MadLordSnapcase] And?
[tulcas] i found out how to add units!!!
[RodLosAngeles] ..2cos I paid for overnight
[Jeff_Morris] That sorting bug on the domestic advisor sucks...added at the last minute...and that was my feature too!
[ProvostHarrison] Get playing you raving tit!
[StarBegotten] at least you've got it!
[RodLosAngeles] the dumbass didn't even know how to use the doorbell
[tulcas] there can be upto 256
[Icedan] I know how hard it is to keep track of everything in a game, I mean, I make websites, they're simple to do, yet there's at least 5 things that I miss
[MadLordSnapcase] Cool? How, tulcas?
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff, i assume that the first patch is near? :)
[Jeff_Morris] well, things get broken when things get fixed
[RodLosAngeles] so he left me a liiiiiittle piece of paper instead
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[Jeff_Morris] I would hope to get it out by the end of november...but no promises
[tulcas] i used a hex editor on the bic file
[RodLosAngeles] "u can collect your package between 7PM and 8PM tonight at the following address"
[ACS_MarkG] sounds reasonable
[Patriqvium] tulcas: Kewl!
[RodLosAngeles] deeeeeeeeeeeng!!!!!
[tulcas] i can upload a bic file with 256 slots for units
[RodLosAngeles] he only needed to ring the bell
[MadLordSnapcase] Awesome, Tulcas!
[Jeff_Morris] Cool..
[MadLordSnapcase] Does it work in the game as well?
[RodLosAngeles] but instead he musta stood there like an idiot, thus not waking me up
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[ProvostHarrison] You know what they are like Rod, they can be nigh on useless. If they were cleverer, they wouldn't be working delivering parcels now ;-)
[Icedan] Jeff, please say that I can edit units and terrain graphics? :)
[Osweld] how could you sleep in knowing that you where going to get civ3 inthe morning?
[tulcas] it has the basic units then a bunch of Workera workerb template units that can be replaced by whatever you want
[MadLordSnapcase] Nice...
[RodLosAngeles] I was getting a lot of sleep cos I know the next 48 hours with civ would be sleepless
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[ACS_MarkG] Jeff, you think it is easy to add a save button to the end-game replay screen?
[ProvostHarrison] Have you got the caffeine IV sorted...
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[ProvostHarrison] What does that mean Markos?
[Jeff_Morris] A good idea...we're gonna to start work on some really cool replay features shortly...send me an email and I'll add it to the list
[RodLosAngeles] .2RB.......phoneB
[RodLosAngeles] BRB*
[RodLosAngeles] phone*
[ACS_MarkG] or is there some way to get the logged events in a separate(smaller file)?
[ProvostHarrison] OK
[ACS_MarkG] cool!
[Jeff_Morris] Perhaps...we're planning on logging everything...
[Icedan] woah! hey did you answer my q?
[Jeff_Morris] which one?
[ProvostHarrison] A text file or something? Now that would be handy. But then I wouldn't know as I haven't seen the game yet.
[Icedan] [Icedan] Jeff, please say that I can edit units and terrain graphics? :)
[tulcas] gonna test it out right quick
[tulcas] to make sure that it don't crash the game
[Jeff_Morris] On units...yes...you can't add new ones...but edit the ones there
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[Jeff_Morris] on terrain...we use this insanely complicated terrain system
[Icedan] ooooooooooohh....
[tulcas] you can now jeff i hexedited the bic file
[Jeff_Morris] we'll be adding new terrain types, a la age of kings...but right now you'd need 3ds max to make new terrain
[RodLosAngeles] ok, so anyway, I'm here partying suposedly.......partying about being civless. WHat a waste of the overnight shipping cost
[Gramphos] tulcas: Will you post how you did in the creation Forum. (at least before I have the game)
[Jeff_Morris] hack away Tulcas!
[Icedan] Ah, so if I have that, I can edit it?
[ACS_MarkG] So, if i have understood this right, a scenario with the map and the edited rules is a single file?
[tulcas] heehee well the compE major has to be good for something right now
[Jeff_Morris] sometimes. You can have a bic without a map and a map without a bic or one with both
[LoQtus] rod: stop whining, at least you don't have to wait 2 weeks like most of us... :(
[RodLosAngeles] yeah yeah
[RodLosAngeles] lol
[RodLosAngeles] :p
[ProvostHarrison] I have to admit though Rod, I would be fuming if they had done that to me!
[StarBegotten] true
[Gramphos] What is the bic file?
[Jeff_Morris] Edit what icedan?
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[Icedan] the terrain
[RodLosAngeles] its just knowing that my civ3 was about 3 feet from em as I was asleep
[ProvostHarrison] Nearly three weeks may I add. Idiots...Infogrames UK seem to have been totally incompetent...
[RodLosAngeles] from me*
[Jeff_Morris] If there is enough interest we'll put up some of our production info...it's very complicated to get working (like 1 person understands how it works).
[Jeff_Morris] here that is
[LoQtus] rod: knowing that it's three weeks away is a lot worse, I can assure you...
[RodLosAngeles] oooooooh, anyway, it's raining today in L.A. for the first time in over 200 days
[ACS_MarkG] lol, it would be great to know the format of some of the files
[ACS_MarkG] like the exact format of the flc files
[tulcas] dah crashed the game...time to start debugging
[RodLosAngeles] I forgot what rain was
[StarBegotten] If Civ gets delivered to my shop in a day or two, I'll be borrowing it for the whole two weeks!
[Jeff_Morris] Right now the flics are custom...slightly different from the autodesk format...we're working on making them standard
[LoQtus] the more info the better, Jeff, we'll figure it out eventually...
[Jeff_Morris] you guys always do!
[Osweld] I remember waiting .years. for SNES games to come here from japan...
[Osweld] pretty annoying
[LoQtus] that's what we're here for :)
[Carlos113] hey! me too
[ProvostHarrison] So how is the game for stability people? There was a concerning point made in one of the reviews...
[ACS_MarkG] locutus, the more info the faster ;)
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[LoQtus] exactly :)
[Gramphos] I'm working with the SAV-files right now.
[dv8ed] Check http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=569154&t=8432#post569154 for my comments on stability, PH.
[Jeff_Morris] Really, I've not heard of general instability. We've been playing on the retail version for 3 weeks with narry a crash (which I am amazed at). SMAC had some general isntability and those are a pain to track down...civ seems much better
[LoQtus] he, I think that's the first time in over a month someone spelt my name correctly, thanks Markos, I needed that :)
[ACS_MarkG] also, the format of the map/screnario/whatever file so that someone could make a civ2-to-civ3 map converter
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[Jeff_Morris] good luck...but send me an email.
[Gregurabi] SMAC also had self-modifying assembly code
[MadLordSnapcase] Are there any plans for letting people use bitmap icons instead of rendered units eventually, possibly as an addition?
[Gramphos] Then we would need both the civ2 and the civ3 format
[The_Eli] Jeff : What do you have to say about the dozens of people who are now sending the PDF manual to each other. Mainly people who can't buy the game yet.
[LoQtus] yeah, good one Markos, I bet Don the old skorp is already figuring things out :)
[Jeff_Morris] Sure...but unlike civ 2 the units in civ3 are REALLY dynamic...2d sprites may look just saweful...but we've got plans on increasing the unit assets...stay tuned
[Jeff_Morris] again no promises
[RodLosAngeles] .2there is a PDF manual?
[Jeff_Morris] sorry about having to qualify everything..but guys like yin make it a necessity
[Gramphos] What is a amb-file?
[Icedan] Can I ask anyone who has played the game.. Is the feel of the game like CTP's?
[ProvostHarrison] On the CD, yeah, I would presume there is ;-)
[ACS_MarkG] lol, you love yin dont you Jeff? :D
[ProvostHarrison] Eughhh, I hope not *shudder*
[Jeff_Morris] In many ways I created him back on the OWO forums
[Osweld] it'd better not be
[ProvostHarrison] (like CtP2)
[ACS_MarkG] rofl!
[Jeff_Morris] but that's a long story
[Icedan] So it's your fault we have to put up with him
[Jeff_Morris] My apologies
[Jeff_Morris] Ignore filters work great though...
[StarBegotten] is yin an idiot then?
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff, should we discuss a certain article of yours? ;)
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[Jeff_Morris] Yin is the kind of guy with lots to offer...but it's ultimately not worth it
[ProvostHarrison] Heh, I remember back in the owo days. I am surprised you didn't start a civ3 forum ;-)
[StarBegotten] lol!
[ProvostHarrison] LOL
[Jeff_Morris] We've turned down great programmers because of personality...I figure it's like that
[Icedan] Like Microsoft!
[MadLordSnapcase] "The myth of a bugless game"....
[LoQtus] lol :)
[MadLordSnapcase] :D
[Jeff_Morris] I stand by that article...I get more email from that than anything else I've written
[Gramphos] Actually "The myth of a bugless Civilization"
[Osweld] what article?
[Jeff_Morris] Wah
[StarBegotten] where can I find you article Jeff?
[ProvostHarrison] Well I suppose it is better to have a functional and effective team than a team and some dysfunctional geek coding in the corner ;-)
[Jeff_Morris] www.avault.com
[ACS_MarkG] Yeah, instant fame ;)
[Gramphos] Snapcase, does your DL work?
[StarBegotten] thanks
[MadLordSnapcase] Which one, Gramph?
[Jeff_Morris] It is a team business...one person can be really disruptive..
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[MadLordSnapcase] So, tulc, did it crash?
[ProvostHarrison] I can understand that...
[LoQtus] tell me about not... (not just yin)
[Jeff_Morris] Again...the ignore filter is a godsend
[ACS_MarkG] Well, allow me to tell you Jeff that I disagree. The examples of our ctp1 and smac communities(in the areas ofmp and fiction) and prove that...
[Stefu] BTW, who's expecting hordes of "siv3 sux, sid mair is faeg" newbs on Civ3 forums to enter just about... now?
[Jeff_Morris] Sure....my point is that many people come to a bar to get drunk...but what they really come for is the socializing...I think forums are like that...People who really get into them aren't really there for the game anymore
[ACS_MarkG] we'll face them stefu
[Icedan] You have Yin on ignore? All of Firaxis Team?
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[MadLordSnapcase] The problem with the ignore function is that I'm always curious about the stuff I ignore, so I end up paying more instead of less attention to it.
[ProvostHarrison] I see Ming is the Civ3 mod. I thought he was too busy to do the job Markos when I had made a perfectly acceptable offer with recommendations ;-)
[Osweld] civ3 forums are already a cesspool of idiocy, and I expect it will be for the next few years... it happens with all official forums
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[Jeff_Morris] I do...dunno about others though I have my suspicions
[Icedan] de ja vu
[Osweld] well... i guess apolyton isn't really official...
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[Icedan] hehe, It'd make me smile to tell him that
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff, if that's your point, then yes, i can agree to that. i think for many people half the "civ experience" is the forums(or apolyton hopefully)
[Patriqvium] Osweld: Don't worry, you can play the game and ignore the forums. ;)
[Jeff_Morris] please don't
[MadLordSnapcase] PH for Civ3 mod! .PH for Civ3 mod!. PH for Civ3 mod!
[LoQtus] who gets to tell yin? ;)
[ProvostHarrison] Yay!
[Icedan] ME!!!!!
[Gramphos] Mark, can you fix the unbanned smilie and the hmm smilie?
[Gramphos] Ming is the Civ3 mod
[ACS_MarkG] but the mentioning of bugs was rather misfortunate.... :)
[Stefu] Yeah, well after they get through their phase, they'll come to OT. Oh, won't it be fun to have all the "modz suk, mng & micaeldegraet r faegs" newbs there. Oh yes.
[Hiroge] are there any new details on MP besides "we are working on something exciting"?
[Jeff_Morris] It's a useful part of the forums to be sure...a game gets more hours of testing logged in the first 24 hours of ship than in the 4 months of beta testing we had...something ALWAYS gets through
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[Icedan] Jeff, if I have 3DMAX, can I edit the terrain graphics?
[Ecthelion] hi
[Jeff_Morris] MP will be cool
[Ecthelion] hello
[Ecthelion] Guten Abend
[ProvostHarrison] Hello there Andy!
[Ecthelion] so this is what you're doing tonight ;-)
[Gramphos] How mush more do the mods do then the actions we can see?
[Patriqvium] Stefu: Mingapulco/Siberia/whatever is waiting for new degenerates to arrive...
[ProvostHarrison] Aye
[Jeff_Morris] Probably...we'll be looking at making that info available
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[ProvostHarrison] The gullags are being expanded as we speak ;-)
[Icedan] What about Lightwave?
[Hiroge] maybe someone can hack pbem in while we wait
[Ecthelion] hehe
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[Ecthelion] is our Jeff Morris... THE Jeff Morris?
[Jeff_Morris] We used that for the heads (diplo and advisor). the terrain graphics were max
[Gramphos] Snapcase: A Preserved Snapcase on Stage
[ProvostHarrison] Yes
[Icedan] no it's Yin
[Gramphos] http://apolyton.net/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=3823
[Ecthelion] heh, I feel honoured... ;-)
[Icedan] Aha I see
[MadLordSnapcase] Doubt it, Gramphos.
[Ecthelion] so why is it the savegames are so big? :(
[Gramphos] Do you remember your pass?
[MadLordSnapcase] They're uncompressed.
[Jeff_Morris] beats me...they're smaller than they used to be...thats for sure
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[Gramphos] They save everything you do for the replay
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff, i didnt get an answer before. Who drawed Alexander the Great?
[MadLordSnapcase] Gramphos: yes....
[ricobirch] So isCiv 3 worth parting with my $50 for
[Jeff_Morris] Jerome Atherholt is the diplo head guy
[MadLordSnapcase] I like alex. Very girlyboy.
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[ProvostHarrison] OK, well a few meg a save game isn't bothering me...
[Gramphos] Then try. It can not say more then that it don't work
[Jeff_Morris] he did the paintings in smac and did them in 3d for civ3
[Ecthelion] I discovered that Snapcase login long time ago and reported it to Matt... who created it... you Snapcase?
[Ecthelion] well PH, some of us have 6.4 GB hard disks...
[Jeff_Morris] I thought people would freak over the 700 meg install!
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[Ecthelion] that one as well.... I'll haveto remove CTP 2... :(
[Icedan] There are games with over 1000meg install
[Ecthelion] ;-)
[|Mankind|]
[Osweld] all games require atleast 400MB these days
[Icedan] like The Longest Journey, great game too
[LoQtus] jeff: I do! but it's the least of my worries
[|Mankind|] so do you like pizza Jeff?
[Jeff_Morris] At least the saving is fast...that would get old...
[ProvostHarrison] 1Gb? Sheesh
[MadLordSnapcase] Yes, me. It's my old login. Notice it was registered about a year before this one.
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[Ecthelion] yeah, either I remove that one or buy a new HD... hmmm...
[Jeff_Morris] North Beach Pizza in SF,CA is the best in the world...AND YOU CAN QUOTE ME
[Gramphos] Is there a mini install?, or do you need 700 Megs?
[Osweld] Baldur's gate 2 full isntall is 2gb, I believe
[Ecthelion] I remember the CTP saving was lame... autosave was a pin there
[Jeff_Morris] 500 is the min
[Icedan] yah, I think Diablo 2 is quite high too
[Gramphos] Time for Dan to update the sysreq
[Icedan] Pong is a whopping 5.4 Gig
[LoQtus] that's good to hear, jeff
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[ACS_MarkG] Hey Jeff, what's the status of MP? :)
[Jeff_Morris] Got about 10 more minutes...any pressing questions?
[Gramphos] (And time for me to delete some crap from one of my computers before MP is ready)
[ACS_MarkG] Isnt it easy to at least add pbem?
[Icedan] Yep, will you allow for units to be added in the near future?
[Jeff_Morris] Can't say too much, but here's this
[RodLosAngeles] Jeff, where's my Civ3!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait, I already know where it is.........I'm just annoyed that its not in my hand!!!!!!!!!
[Jeff_Morris] the problem was with internet games...you can't require a multiple play session game for most internet gamers...the big difference between lan and internet...we're working on the internet problem...
[Gramphos] Will you announce MP next E3? ;)
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[Jeff_Morris] No promises!
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[ACS_MarkG] Isnt it easy to at least add pbem?
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[Gramphos] Or at a minot HotSeat
[Osweld] Diplomacy in pdem can't be easy to do
[Jeff_Morris] Have to ask a programmer...Brian added it in a weekend for SMAC, albiet in a pretty rought form
[ACS_MarkG] indeed!
[Osweld] I have no idea how you could get that to work well, if out taking forever to make the smallest of agreements
[Jeff_Morris] Diplomacy is the biggest challange...multi turn
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[Jeff_Morris] .4This is fun
[Jeff_Morris] first chat
[ACS_MarkG] Doyou know if the LE is sold out yet?
[Hiroge] not really, the players can chat to come to an agreement
[Jeff_Morris] Not sure...we don't have copies
[ProvostHarrison] When do you reckon the MP will be available?
[Icedan] next yr
[Jeff_Morris] Beats me....
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[Jeff_Morris] Hard to say...no contracts have been signed
[RodLosAngeles] .4isn't there a way to keep your text colour???
[Icedan] .5NO!!!!!
[Jeff_Morris] .sdgdfgdfg
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[ProvostHarrison] So it is going to be a downloadable patch or a sold expansion patch
[Gregurabi] that's a client issue
[cyclotron7] .Hey! A party!
[Jeff_Morris] Hard to say....We'd love to make it a patch...but no decision has been made
[ACS_MarkG] money, money, money.... :)
[Jeff_Morris] feh...
[Stefu] Hey, modministration, how long is OT gonna be closed?
[Gramphos] ABBA
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[Icedan] ot is closed?
[RodLosAngeles] .4if this is a party, where's all the balloons and cake and beer?
[Icedan] Is that coz of the server overload?
[|Mankind|] .0hmmmm
[ProvostHarrison] So it is in the hands of Infogrames?
[Stefu] I mean, you can't post new stuff in OT.
[|Mankind|] where is pizza ?!
[Jeff_Morris] Poly is quite slow...the price of success....not entirely...
* Taliseian puts out a large bowl of cheezy natchos
[Jeff_Morris] 5 minute warning
[Icedan] I thought those servers could handle more than this
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff, since infogrames will get rich from the millions of civ3 copies sold, why not make it free? ;)
[LoQtus] 'slow': that's an understatement...
[Jeff_Morris] Only time will tell..
[Osweld] What's you job, Jeff?
[Osweld] your
[Jeff_Morris] Associate producer
[ProvostHarrison] That's not a good omen...
[Icedan] I think you should become your own Publisher
[Icedan] Then you can make all the rules up
[ProvostHarrison] Yeah, definitely Icedan...
[thue] ACS_MarkG: When has making lots of money stopped a company from trying to make more? :P
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[Jeff_Morris] And take all the risks...we enjoy spending other companies money
[|Mankind|] Jeff: Poland will be included in EP?
[Icedan] oh they pay?
[Icedan] I thought they only pay for the publishing?
[Jeff_Morris] They advance the cash...we make the product...they get paid back...then we get royalites
[Gramphos] Icedan, how mush do you think the name Civilization would cost to buy from Infogames (assuming that they were ready to sell it?)
[Icedan] oh..
[Icedan] um.... $250,000!
[ProvostHarrison] Yeah, but you have a good track record. You'd reap the rewards...
[Osweld] Basically, the publisher is a pimp
[Jeff_Morris] Got that right!
[Icedan] YEAH
[Icedan] hehe
[ProvostHarrison] They behave like one...
[|Mankind|] Jeff: i would like an answer if you can at this time ofkoz........
[Jeff_Morris] on what?
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff, we're going to post the log you know :D
[Icedan] Civilization might be the most expensive game name
[|Mankind|] Poland in EP;)
[Hiroge] if all the civ players in the world donate $1, we can but the tile from Infogrames
[Jeff_Morris] There is no contract for an expansion right now so there's no decision been made
[ACS_MarkG] Civilization and Sid :D
[Gregurabi] and do what with it?
[Hiroge] make it public domain, like Linux
