Civ3 Patch&Chat Friday, February 15, 2002
The second civ3 patch was almost here, and we discussed the new changes on
our irc channel with Firaxis!
In red, the operator. In
blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to
Jeff Morris, Dan Magaha, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado, Mike Breitkreutz and
Barry Caudill
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[Guestdff] Is there going to be any focus on super personality in the AI's with future patches
[JohnPaulJones] Mike r Dan r Speedy: How many beta testers are there at the moment - any plans to add in some from outside USA ?
[Sirotnikov] DMS = Dan Magha Sombrero
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] It's not so much that it's difficult.... First I had to get the rules in the editor in order for placement options to work. Now that the rules are in there and basic map-making is done I have started on placing units and cities...
[Libertarian] What?
[hagbart] The 1.17 patch gets top points from me!
[Speed_Bump1] Dan: I think it's a four letter word ;-)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] ...the biggest problem is interfacing it and dealing with the concept of a player.
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] right on Barry
[thebug40] dms : doggedly murdering settlers
[Speed_Bump1] korn: that's the spirit!
[ACS_MarkG] hey vel!
[korn469] hey vel
[Sirotnikov] bug, lol, excellent
[ACS_MarkG] sounds good mike
[Velociryx] :) Hey guys!
[Sirotnikov] start a thread :D
[Sirotnikov] hello
[Guest112] Can someone plz answer my question, I want to play my civ3! After the new patch, the game won't start up!
[JohnPaulJones] hi
[Sirotnikov] hey
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] JPJ: Not sure how many are slated to be in the beta group to be honest, unfortunately looks like legal issues will preclude us from using non US applicants though :(
[ACS_MarkG] and there is being able to money, goverment type, and all sorts of stuff for each civ....
[SirRalph] Mike, did the savegame with sinking the galley crashes game work?
[JohnPaulJones] aww
[Speed_Bump1] Guest112: where does it lock?
[JohnPaulJones] ah well
[GuestJon_Miller] I wished I had the time to apply for the BETA group
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Yes SirRalph, I found and fixed the crash in future versions.
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Believe me I'm bummed too JPJ, I had asked several folks in hopes we could get them in, and it's just not in the cards
[hagbart] To Guest 112, I would try a clean install and patch
[thebug40] sirv, start one for me, i dont havent signed up yet, just give me an honorable mention :P
[GuestJon_Miller] sdffdfghghjkjkl;l;'
[Guest112] I get the splash screen, then nothing else happens.
[m_m_x] do a big public beta like blizzard is doing....
[GuestJon_Miller] 'oops
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Your save also helped me find a saved game incompatibility issue that cropped up after 1.17....
[korn469] barry, i have a question about changing colors in the editor, why do many of the colors you can select crash the game?
[Acooper] Guys it's been a hard day of work and I gotta go. Cya round
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] mmx, there is a lot of politics involved
[Speed_Bump1] Guest112: you need to fix the refresh rate probably
[ACS_MarkG] cu cooper
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] later Shag
[JohnPaulJones] Cya A
[Guest112] ok, thanks
[m_m_x] ic
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] korn: There's a way to fix that.
[Speed_Bump1] Add Refresh=60 to the civilization3.ini
[korn469] that's all i need to do to fix it?
[korn469] thanks :)
[Sirotnikov] cool
[Guestdff] The industrious Civ 3 players, NOT
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] korn: no I'll tell you -- hang on
[Sirotnikov] colors crashed me too
[korn469] oh ok
[GuestJon_Miller] poat that on apolyton
[JohnPaulJones] Ahhh...so thats why my screen is going nuts thx Speedy
[ACS_MarkG] Dan how many people are you taking for the beta team?
[Speed_Bump1] JPJ: np
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Mark: that's Jeff's project not sure how many to be honest
[Gramphos] Guset1l2: korn: you need to copy some pcxs to mae it work
[Ironikinit] the beta team still testing? is it testing MP?
[GuestJon_Miller] so if I am in maryland, can I stop by for a tour?
[korn469] which ones?
[Speed_Bump1] There is a new beta team
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] it's just getting started actually Iron
[korn469] i tried downloading the pcx from your thread
[Guestdff] I want the French to have roleplaying like personality in next patch please
[Gramphos] Art\units\Palettes\
[korn469] but it wasn't available
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] It's not like a beer factory Jon, we don't have any samples or anything :)
[korn469] it crashed every time i renamed it
[Gramphos] the one otp should be copied to make up to otp31
[Speed_Bump1] Good one Dan
[korn469] where do i copy them to?
[Ironikinit] pity, breweries are fun to tour
[Sirotnikov] a cra*. editing the palette is not y idea of fun
[hagbart] So, is there gonna be MP some time in the future?
[m_m_x] are u taking only hardcore civ fans?
[GuestJon_Miller] no samples?
[m_m_x] to thte beta team
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] korn: In Art\Units\Palettes there need to be otp00-otp31.pcx. Some are missing
[GuestJon_Miller] I was hoping for the newest Civ build
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] mmx, I would hope we'd get a wide cross-section of people
[GuestJon_Miller] I bought the game (LE) twice...
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] The problem is fixed now but someone forgot to take out some code....
[m_m_x] me too
[hagbart] twice?
[Gramphos] Just copy opt00.pcx to opt17.pcx and to opt18.pcx, and so on
[m_m_x] hardcore civ fans going crazy some times :)
[GuestJon_Miller] yah
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] I posted the info somewhere but I can't find the link now
[GuestJon_Miller] (ordered one, then went out and bought it the day it game out)
[hagbart] yeah they sure are hardcore those guys
[korn469] so right now they go up to 16
[m_m_x] they are forgetting the fun factor
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Indeed mmx, but there are a LOT of people playing this game, we try to keep in mind the audience
[m_m_x] dealing with numbers and stuff..
[Gramphos] I think it was at Civfanatics'
[korn469] i just copy and rename either 01 or 00 up to 31
[Rpodos] Anything interesting not documented in the Readme??
[Gramphos] you just need pcx named correctly up to 31, open one in a editor and save as (fastest)
[Ironikinit] It's been said that the original release was insufficiently playtested esp. in the modern era. Is the new patch a reflection of more playtesting or are more of the modern era changes due to feedback?
[korn469] ok thanks for the help
[hagbart] what about a minimap in the editor?
[ACS_MarkG] all civ games have had end-game issues...
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] korn: It will be fixed in later versions of the editor.
[Guest1] nick new-name
[korn469] can't wait mike :)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] hagbart: A good idea (obviously).
[ACS_MarkG] see, he mentions several versions of the editor ;)
[Ironikinit] true that, mark
[korn469] i actually tested and found out which ones work
[GuestJon_Miller] yah, I think that you need to hire someone to do the extra stuff for you at that point
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] One thing to bear in mind is that we also have a list of stuff we want to add to the game that we just weren't able to get done, a lot of times patch stuff is that kind of thing. A lot of it is fan suggestions, some of it is bugs we didn't catch. It's a lot of things combined.
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Well, didn't one of them end up in the patch? ;)
[GuestJon_Miller] (end game)
[korn469] but it took me many crashes to do that :)
[Ironikinit] ty
[JohnPaulJones] Good to hear Dan
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] korn: The first 16 work...
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] I'm always bugging Mike to put something into the editor for me, for example ]:)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Yes he is.
[Rpodos] I may have missed the answer, but what about muliple zoom views?
[Ironikinit] it would be cool to see that wish list y'all have
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] ALL the time
[ACS_MarkG] what do you mean you have things to want to add? you should only do the things we want! :D
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] It would be too big to print hahaha
[Guest19382] When are you going to put in a scenerio creator?
[Gramphos] Yes, v1.17 of the editor. It had one extra field for units n the BICs, but not in the editor.
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] You're a funny guy Markos!
[GuestJon_Miller] maube Firaxis can have end game players who you can send your turn to with some more macrolevel instructions
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Multiple zoom views in the editor is less likely than a minimap but not outside the realm of possibility...
[Ironikinit] what about a single zoom level?
[ACS_MarkG] Dan when are you going to try one of the tournament games? ;)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] The extra field is used internally. It's actually a substantial change -- hence the increased version jump
[JohnPaulJones] Multiple zoom views would be nice in the gae too
[Ironikinit] well, just a zoom out like the game has
[Rpodos] Thnaks Mike, but I meant multiple zooms in the regular interface...
[JohnPaulJones] game too
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Mark: I'm bad at Civ anyway, I'd just get owned :)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Once again -- not ouside the realm of possibility but it's not high on our list.
[Gramphos] I didn't manage to get it to anything but -1
[Sirotnikov] D M S thread started in Civ 3 : strategy
[ACS_MarkG] Dan, exactly ;)
[Velociryx] LOL Dan...c'mon now...you know you guys play lossa civ at work! ;)
[Anunikoba] It would have been nice if helicopters could also pick-up units, as well as airdrop.. but just wishing..
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] That doesn't mean I'm any good, though :D
[thebug40] siro, ha ha
[ACS_MarkG] vel, and get with it!
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Yeah. None of the units used the field at that point. They have lots of different values in my version :)
[notyoueither] ditto copters
[Velociryx] *G* Read my strat threads...
[Speed_Bump1] Velo: a little...I logged over 1500 hours ;-)
[Schee] bye all
[Guest19382] 12I just want to know when you will include a scenerio creator in a patch or sell it
[Schee] (go to sleep)
[Kilroy] are we able to demand resources as a requirement for peace in the new patch?
[Rpodos] If I have wheat, shouldn't I be able to brew beer?? And would it increase happiness or decrease productivity?
[Velociryx] WhoooHooo Speedy! Got me beat by a country mile...so far at least....;)
[JohnPaulJones] if you watch the active turns close enough you can Kilroy
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] LOL
[ACS_MarkG] http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=42440
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Nice post Sirot
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Rpodos: probably both
[Speed_Bump1] Rpodos: both...just like tje Internet
[Kilroy] no, I mean ask for resources from a civ I'm at war with, as a requirement for peace
[_john] pwer
[Sirotnikov] thanks
[SirRalph] A question concerning patch compatibility: Our German localization will be released in March. If I buy it, will the future patches be compatible?
[Sirotnikov] i didn't know you cared that much :love:
[Guest112] ok, i copied the otp files up to 31, but the game still won't start.
[thebug40] strategy forum went down?
[Acooper] Somes times its good to live only 2 minutes from work
[Gramphos] Guestll, that was for korn, not for you.
[Ironikinit] hey coop
[Speed_Bump1] Guest112: try the refresh rate thing first. It's the easiest fix I know for that
[notyoueither] sometimes its good to own work ;)
[Guest112] ok
[korn469] mike so, besides starting locations what are some other high priority editor changes?
[Kilroy] so, no I take it?
[Guest19382] How do you expect the fans to create things for the game when you give us crap to work off of. example. . . no zooms in mapeditor
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] well my power just went out UPS is beeping, gotta shut down grrr
*** Parts: Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO (Dgaha@.23)
[GuestJon_Miller] bye
[Acooper] Dan in a jungle?
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