Civ3 Patch&Chat Friday, February 15, 2002
The second civ3 patch was almost here, and we discussed the new changes on
our irc channel with Firaxis!
In red, the operator. In
blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to
Jeff Morris, Dan Magaha, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado, Mike Breitkreutz and
Barry Caudill
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[ChrisShaffer] Nobody, but nobody, enjoys cleaning up pollution. It just isn't fun. A % decrease like corruption would do the same job in a better interface.
[GuestJon_Miller] do the complaints ever make you feel bad?
[pitk] just joking you, you did good job, considering you was the only beta tester :))
[pitk] siro, VetLegion
[Sirotnikov] ok
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Pitk, he wasn't the only tester, just the only one we hired :)
[Acooper] Do you ever swear at us?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] ...
[GuestJon_Miller] (get payed to plave Civ all way, hmmm, Physics is still a little better)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Jon, I laugh to keep from crying some times..
[Sirotnikov] you sound sharp witted (i hope it's the right expression)
[Sith] Firaxis: Any plan to make permanent the increase in HP's that every successful Civ3 Mod uses? Standard:4, Vet:5, Elite:7
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] It for me guys....thanks for your help on the patch....cya
*** Quits: Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1 (Java_user@.190) (Quit: Leaving)
[Acooper] good night jeff
[GuestJon_Miller] bye
[ACS_MarkG] thanks for joining us Jeff
[GuestJon_Miller] have a good weekend
[sallust] 1bye
[Sirotnikov] tight sleep ;)
[GodKing] before I go - GREAT GAME - keep up the good work.
[JayPiJay] bye ^
[pitk] bye jeff
[Sith] lol
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] wasabi Korn
[Dimorier_Maximus] Yes yes yes...I have a question about pollutions...can you make it optional? I have always found it very annoying in Civ games...
[GuestJon_Miller] Danm some of the comments are just harsh
[Sith] Quick exit
[Sith] ;)
[ACS_MarkG] so, is it a tradition to find problems in patches hours after their release? :)
[Sith] No Firaxis peops left?
[GuestJon_Miller] even when I agree that some of the things could use some work
[korn469] hey guys
[Acooper] I LOVE CIV 3 !!!!!! (mostly)
[Libertarian] I'm excited about sharing Soren's comments with the other Apolytoners.
[ACS_MarkG] hey korn
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Jon, yes, they are, but that's why we have the ignore list
[Gramphos] Is the foreign advisor leader art still hard coded?
[pitk] now for the REAL questions :)=
[Gramphos] Haven't had time to check.
[GuestJon_Miller] 3 Firaxians left
[Gramphos] hi korn
[Sirotnikov] hey korn
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Probably Gramphos, Mike would know better than I
[Sith] Firaxis: Any intention to increase the HP of units?
[korn469] my gf forced me into lunch sorry i missed most of the chat
[korn469] lol
[Sirotnikov] lol, it's like a AA support group
[GuestJon_Miller] ha ha at korn
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Sith: probably not by default, no.
[Sirotnikov] "I'm siro and I'm a civoholic" - "hi siro"
[Gramphos] Mike??
[Dimorier_Maximus] Someone from Firaxis: can y'all work on making pollution optional in Civ3? Able to turn on or off?
[GuestJon_Miller] hi siro
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] MikeB
[Sith] Dan: Any reason? It is a small change yet all the Civ3 Mods use it.....?
[GuestJon_Miller] I am a civoholic too
[Sirotnikov] wait
[korn469] so what all did i miss in terms of new information?
[Gramphos] Yes, that was a call for him ;)
[JayPiJay] It is addictive ;) too much of a good thing always is
[GuestJon_Miller] less so then previously though (I like playing versus, and I like Physics)
[Sirotnikov] does that mean we should quit?
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] oh ok :D
[Sirotnikov] never
[Libertarian] Dan, aren't you glad now for all the suggestions we made? Look what a hit your patch is!
[Dimorier_Maximus] hehe
[Sith] lol@Libertarian
[GuestJon_Miller] I just want maybe a little less polution, or have the global warming effects slowed down
[Sirotnikov] lol
[Gramphos] I can't understand why they are listed in the pediaicons.txt, but not read from there.
[ACS_MarkG] Dan, got a count for the downloads of the patch yet?
[Dimorier_Maximus] Well, cya bye
[korn469] to firaxis
[Libertarian] Mark: Something weird just happened on the board.
[korn469] 1) It seems like all units in normal civ3 heal at the rate of 1 hp per turn when outside of a city. Is this true?
[Libertarian] http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42353
[korn469] 2) Do all ranks heal at the same rate? By this i mean would both a conscript and an elite unit regain the exact same amount of hit points if they both healed outside of a city (especially a city with a barracks)
[GuestJon_Miller] here is a good question: does the polutiom for global warming change based upon map size (other global modeling factors)
[Dimorier_Maximus] Thanks for taking time to talk to us, Firaxians
[Speed_Bump1] True
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] no, Infogrames FTP has been doing most of the gruntwork and I have no clue how many people have downloaded it
[Acooper] Yeah , Thanks LIB for all their hard work
[korn469] 3) If you change the hitpoints at what level does the healing rate change?
[korn469] 4) Is this change based entirely on the regular morale level or is it based on an average of all of the levels?
[Libertarian] Shag, check out that link!
[korn469] :)
[Speed_Bump1] korn: no
[Libertarian] The board has flipped out!
[GuestJon_Miller] is the transcripts of this going to be posted???
[Sirotnikov] html maddness
[Acooper] I'm tryin Lib hold on
[Libertarian] http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42353
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Gramphos: yes. Hard-coded art is the reason there are few add/delete buttons in the editor.
[ACS_MarkG] someone played with [ and ] lib
[Schee_FR] je vais enlever le FR, c peut-être à cause de ça que personne me répond...
[Acooper] What the ??????
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] hard coding BAD! Bad dog!
[Libertarian] Weird... Can you fix it, Mark?
[Schee] (un froid)
[CapTVK] Pollution annoying, it's the only way the end game keeps a bit interesting...near the end everything is build so there's nothing left to do. The threat of global warming keeps things a bit interesting near the end, but only a tad.
[GuestJon_Miller] french
[ACS_MarkG] fixed
[pitk] Dan, Mike what do you think about civ underwear? how about packaging it with game instead of, say, designers diary?
[JayPiJay] MarkG: 218 downloads of patch from Firaxis.com
[thebug40] fyi, the patch is not on ftp.infogames... why?
[Sirotnikov] agree with dan about hardcoding
[Kaeregaard] Question: Will my current saves work after I upgrade to the new patch?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] I don't know... something like that may increase our ESRB rating...
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Mark: do I need to download a new version of the Apolyton forums now?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Kaeregaard: yes
[ChrisShaffer] CapTVK, I don't mind the threat of global warming, I just with the interface were cleaner. Too many mouseclicks required...
[pitk] what is ESRB? :)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Civ underoos would be phenominal
[Sirotnikov] that's why you should release the AI code and have a parser for it ;)
[ACS_MarkG] no you dont Dan ;)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] thebug, we're trying to figure that out ourselves
[Acooper] I made my underoos with markers and duct tape
[JayPiJay] put the AI code in the public domain - never! - it wouldnt be fuzzy anymore :D
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] it's still on Firaxis.com though
[Sirotnikov] what bug, there's a bug?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Gramphos: That was a mistake. They were supposed to be in pediaicons.txt.
[notyoueither] My words are backed by Fruit of the looms?
[thebug40] siro, yeah dont squish me though
[Sith] Kaeregaard: YES
[Sirotnikov] ROFLMAO
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Dan: yes -- hardcoding BAD
[Schee] french ?
[Sirotnikov] bugs are useful parts of the ecology :love:
[pitk] lol, hard coding is bad
[Gramphos] Any chance of geting it changed in a later pach?
[korn469] mike, would it be possible to add in a button in the government section of the editor to set the number of citizens a military unit quells
[thebug40] hmmm, apolyton has a story that says the editor is bad.. is this correct?
[Sirotnikov] they're good snak!!! :evilgrin:
[Schee] what, GuestJon_Miller ?
[pitk] now that we all agree, how about releasing the source?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Gramphos: not sure -- I'd like to though
* thebug40 dips himself in chocolate
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Don't worry Gramphos I am constantly pestering Mike each and every day about things like that :D
[Sirotnikov] for me?
[ACS_MarkG] mike cant you guys get gramphos to help you on the editor? :)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Sure, pitk, just send Infogrames a check for a couple hundred thousand bucks.
[Sirotnikov] you know, it's really sick since it has relation with something kinky in RL
* JayPiJay thinks those money hunting publishers would hate the idea
[Schee] When will be the french version released ?
[pitk] french version is when you play the french
[Sirotnikov] but if the AI is changable by players - that means longer shelf life
[Speed_Bump1] Schee: akd InfoG
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] That would be a Jeff Morris question unfortunately
[GuestJon_Miller] what Siro??
[thebug40] question, is apolyton patch have a working editor?!
[Sirotnikov] so firaxis wins
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Schee: Infogrames controls the localized version release schedule so I don't know...
[Schee] french version is in french
[pitk] what more do you want :))
[GuestJon_Miller] I think that Soren did a very good job with the AI
[pitk] Infogrames sue people
[Sirotnikov] jon, that part about buggy here dippin into chocolate
[Sirotnikov] ;)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Well, they haven't sued me yet, thankfully.
[Schee] I want Mousquetaires instead of Musketeer pitk !
[Libertarian] They sue copyright infringers.
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] korn: yes that's possible -- I'll keep it in mind
[korn469] mike that would really help
[Sirotnikov] lol@dan
[pitk] lol @ Mouskwuur, whatever :)
[Acooper] They should sue infringers
[JayPiJay] I wish i could get a Ceae & Desist by unlocking the basic multiplayer architecture
[korn469] i really hope you have time to add it in
[Libertarian] Agreed, Shag.
[GuestJon_Miller] Multiplayer=big
[notyoueither] I think they've all done a hell of a job considering the hole
[korn469] mike another thing about the editor
[notyoueither] they were in
[SomeRandomTool] I hate money
[CapTVK] What's up with these localized versions anyway? In the days of Civ1 translation barely existed. You learned the principles of the game by simply playing.
[Libertarian] By the way, have you figured out yet what that means in British?
[Sith] Firaxis: U should really work on creating an amazing editor. Games have always been improved by those who know most about them i.e. THe fans ;)
[GuestJon_Miller] Tool, so can I have yours
[pitk] why would I send them a check? *confused* I am waiting for infogrames to take over the wolrd and then I m taking it to the hills
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] Sith: we are
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Sith: mike *is* working on that editor, every day
[pitk] viva la liberdad! :P
[CapTVK] I would be glad to take it of your hands somerandomtool :)
[pitk] Dan, I would watch your back if I was you
[Sith] Mike: Good to know. Are you planning on making the game as editable as possible even releasing code to get at the AI routines?
[korn469] could you make it so that you could select both great wonder and small wonder attributes for any wonders
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Why is that, pitk?
[pitk] there is plenty of evidence that you were involved with firaxis property
[pitk] lol Jay
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] what?
[GuestJon_Miller] I think just that Civ should have the AI updated for a few years (I would pay 10 dollars a year for that)
[korn469] so that you could add a small wonder that gave each city a certain building
[Guest3] Hey, is there anything y'all can do about fixing the air superiority routines? Right now, it's not even possible to dogfight, which sorta renders the American UU useless...
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS1] I doubt we will release AI code like that. I don't think the AI is not really set up for that.
[JayPiJay] pitk : hmm , scratches head :)
[Sith] Mike: A Shame :(
[pitk] is AI in adll?
[korn469] or a great wonder that required a certain resource in its city radius
[GuestJon_Miller] I still want small wonders to give luxury/strategi resources
[m_m_x] [Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Sith: mike *is* working on that editor, every day
[m_m_x] so why is he chating with us now??go back to work mike! :)
[Acooper] Idea for Civ 4 customized AI components
[Sith] Dan: I don't doubt it
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