Civ3 Patch&Chat Friday, February 15, 2002
The second civ3 patch was almost here, and we discussed the new changes on
our irc channel with Firaxis!
In red, the operator. In
blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to
Jeff Morris, Dan Magaha, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado, Mike Breitkreutz and
Barry Caudill
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[Sirotnikov] or am i blind?
[CapTVK] Concerning popups, just do what Freeciv, either display on the console, a popup, or suppress them completely
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] If it makes you feel any better Mark I am one of the biggest proponents of mod stuff
[Anunikoba] Sirotnikov- I miss that from SMAC as well
[DavidFloyd] q: Is there any chance of Firaxis releasing an in-house WW2 scenario, sorta how it was done in Civ2
[ACS_MarkG] now jeff, that was the wrong answer. you need to go to a PR school ;)
[ChrisShaffer] rdomarat - but you do know when a riot will break out -- all you have to do is use the domestic advisor and count all the little faces
[ACS_MarkG] i know one: "The Yin University" :D
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] What's a PR?
[Sirotnikov] yeah, ww2 rules
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] What's a Yin?
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Puerto Rican School?
[ChrisShaffer] it just takes too much time...
[DavidFloyd] lol
[rdomarat] I was talking in the "real world"
[Acooper] No not yin!
[DavidFloyd] Stonewalling :)
[Sirotnikov] isn't "Yin" a curse in Firaxian? ;)
[furtigan] Airbases? Possible? Please?
[pitk] jeff, why deoesnt water cycle in civ3?
[CapTVK] the opposite of yang....Oh that Yin! :)
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] It's more like a "he who cannot be named"
[Dimorier_Maximus] How old is Jeff? ;-)
[ProvostHarrison] Isn't 'Yin' Korean for 'pedantic' ;-)
[Libertarian] Is it appropriate to talk about Yin wile he's not here?
[Sirotnikov] LOL
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] 32
[ACS_MarkG] Dan, Jeff mentioned that you're about to start a maps&mods section on civ3.com?
[Acooper] Did we get an answer to the Airbase question?
[GuestJon_Miller] Are Firaxians married?
[DavidFloyd] lol
* ChrisShaffer thinks Yin will read it in the log file later...
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Yeah...picked 6 and are waiting for their authors ok
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] well it's not required Jon, but some of us are
[ProvostHarrison] Oops
[Libertarian] I certainly hope so.
[Sirotnikov] hmmm...
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Yes Mark, that's what I hear
[DavidFloyd] Oh did I mention I want scenarios? ;)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] You don't say? :D
[ACS_MarkG] cool, so all the legal idiocies eeer i mean issues, is behind us :)
[furtigan] Or airbases
[DavidFloyd] I'd PAY for the ability to make and use scenarios ;)
[GuestJon_Miller] I was just wandering what with all the time spent making games
[ProvostHarrison] hint, hint from DF ;-)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Mark, never say never... it's more like we've just cleared the first hurdle
[Harold25] quiet DF
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] We're starting with maps and may move on to apps, but they're pretty different beasts
[DavidFloyd] lol well that's just me of course
[Dimorier_Maximus] Maybe Firaxis could pay some people to make scenarios for them?
[furtigan] DF they were waiting for you to say "pay" :)
[ACS_MarkG] great news
[Dimorier_Maximus] BreBro is really good...
[DavidFloyd] and i said it ;)
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Anything is possible
[pitk] jeff, why deoesnt water cycle in civ3?
[Sirotnikov] even i don't get your question, pitk
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] What do you mean pitk
[DavidFloyd] or john petroski dimorier
[Harold25] why can't I see the wind blow
[DavidFloyd] or harlan thompson
[pitk] I mean a la civ 1
[Sirotnikov] lol@ harold
[pitk] waves
[CapTVK] It doesn't cycle in Civ2 either pitk, except for ToT
[Guest26026] Do fortified units still activate when they are mass-upgraded?
[JayPiJay] huh like the graphics water or iirigation water ??
[pitk] I took it personaly, the lack of it
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] oh you mean the graphics?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] ...
[Libertarian] 26026: Yes.
[pitk] there was no civ2 chat, was there :)) yes, the graphics..
[pitk] why have you taken that simple feature out?
[rdomarat] Is resource distribution for generated maps truly random, or dos the AI get an advantage at higher levels with more resources closer to it's starting location?
[furtigan] speaking of graphics... what will airbases look like?
[Acooper] Man I hate it when I have to pretend I'm working. I bet I missed all the good answers!
[m_m_x] casue the format they use for terrain dosent support animations
[Dimorier_Maximus] What about me an john and petroski DavidFloyd?
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[ACS_MarkG] ooops there goes one server....
[ChrisShaffer] netsplit...
[Schee_FR] netsplit.
[Sirotnikov] huh?
[JayPiJay] SPilitters!!
[ProvostHarrison] Ooops, what happened there?
[ixnay37] whoops
[pitk] what some people wont do to skip a question ;)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] like color-cycling? good question... it's not that it was "taken out" because the game code isn't really derivative of previous civ games
[Libertarian] LOL
[ACS_MarkG] one of the dalnet server went offline
[JayPiJay] whats dat quote from da life of Brian ?:D
[Dimorier_Maximus] We lost our Firaxis!
[ChrisShaffer] their server went down, or was disconnected from the rest of the servers, one or the other
[Sirotnikov] Mark banned the Firaxis staff!!! ;)
[ChrisShaffer] Dan is still here :)
[Dimorier_Maximus] But we still got our Sombrero
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Sombrero power alone kept me here
[Dimorier_Maximus] hah
[pitk] it was simple palete animation, added much to the map
[Sirotnikov] lol @ dan
[ProvostHarrison] LOL
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[ixnay37] lol
[Acooper] LOL
[ACS_MarkG] So Dan, quick PR test: why is Sid posting on the simgolf forums and not the civ3 ones? ;)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] I tend to agree, I think there were some concerns about "over animating"
[Dimorier_Maximus] What do you do for Firaxis Dan?
[Sirotnikov] welcome back
[pitk] but ok, wont bother you more, just wanted my complaint noted :)
[GodKing] welcom
[JayPiJay] Where you at Dan , Mexico ?
[GuestJon_Miller] hmmm
[furtigan] Still wondering about airbases
[pitk] wb all
[ProvostHarrison] And back they come...
[Guest54627] Jon_miller, Can't be I'm still here!
[ixnay37] nice to have you back
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Mark: because Sid is Sid :)
[ChrisShaffer] Question: Any plans to make it possible to use multiple mods without needing to merge the .bic files?
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Maximus, I am an Associate Producer now, and still do some web stuff as needed
[Sirotnikov] what does associate producer mean?
[JayPiJay] Erh how much of design process is Sid's anyway ?
[Sirotnikov] it's a fuzzy concept
[Dimorier_Maximus] So you are in charge of production schedules and such now, Dan?
[pitk] who cares, sids only human too
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Something like that, yeah...
* pitk hides :)
[Guest26026] In Empire, there was an ability to create battle groups by "attaching" units to each other... this would satisfy the desire for combined arms stacking... any chance for Civ3?
[Acooper] Be careful about the Sid questions. We don't want him to lose his job
[ProvostHarrison] Is that what you really think pitk? ;-)
[ACS_MarkG] you guys need to do a 24-hours video of sid working on civ ;)
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[Sirotnikov] lol
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] This chat is unfinished
[CapTVK] Maybe one of you guys can answer this question. Sid's parents are immiigrants from Europe aren't they?
[Dimorier_Maximus] Good for you, SOMBRERO, I hope you got a raise with that. ;-)
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[pitk] lol @job
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[thebug40] how many units or what formula is used to "completley suppress a reversion"
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] I know some of his family is European
[JayPiJay] =)
[ACS_MarkG] jeff, what do you mean?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] Soren detailed it in a post
[rdomarat] Let's try again after the purge/unpurge. Is resource distribution on randomly generated maps truly random or does the AI get an advantage with more resources closer to it's starting position at higher levels?
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Maximus: who needs a raise when you love your job :D
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] Just all the disconnections...
[Sirotnikov] is sid jewish? geniuses are often jews ;)
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Maximus: don't tell my boss though :P
[Sirotnikov] einstein = theory of relativety
[Sirotnikov] sid = civilization
[CapTVK] I know his father comes from Austra, Meier is a bit more common name there
[ProvostHarrison] I could do with a job I love. I just quit my PhD as I was hating it. Do you have any jobs for well paid biochemists going at Firaxis? :-)
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] Tester
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] j/k
[pitk] do you firaxians like civfanatics more or apolyton?
[Sirotnikov] meier is a very jewish name
[SanPellegrino] someone reported finding an army(!) in a hut after the patch!? Is that possible?
[Dimorier_Maximus] Well, if you are in charge of deadlines....I'd say you need a raise...that is stressful business, Dan.
* pitk hides from markG :P
[Libertarian] Geniuses are often Jews? Moronic.
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] Civfantics has a pretty different tone to be sure...they're both valuable
[pitk] I knew it!
[ACS_MarkG] no comment
[pitk] :))
[Sirotnikov] dimorier, are you trying to bribe dan to make patches faster?
[GuestJon_Miller] argh, what has gone on
[JayPiJay] I rember reading in the back of the Civ1 manual that beer should have been added as a recsoure to aid the growth of population - any chance of anyone adding this in a mod ?
[Sirotnikov] go right ahead?
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Maximus: well as I'm cutting my teeth as an associate producer I'm not yet the one "in charge" of anything
[DavidFloyd] crazy chat room
[Sirotnikov] 'twas a joke dear sir
[DavidFloyd] some of you people leave so it quits crashing! :D
[Sirotnikov] notice the nice smiley
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] Breitkreutz would like that
[Sirotnikov] david - lead the way :p
[Kaeregaard] Question: Why do the city governers (who are very nice people, by the way) keep producing food, even if the city cannot grow anymore (e.g. size 6 w/o aquaduct)?
[pitk] jeff, sid said in an interview about golf "...and it helped history of the world wasnt at stake this time :)..." ... its much pressure to work on civ, eh?
[Dan_Magaha_SOMBRERO] It's not a walk in the park, to be sure
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] You bet...but the rewards are well worth it
[YoungEagle] Are there any Firaxians left?
[DavidFloyd] yes
[GodKing] Why were airbases left off? Any plans on bringing them back?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] No comment
[pitk] does firaxis get unusually high royalties?
[ProvostHarrison] Hehe
[pitk] :))
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] yes
[ProvostHarrison] pitk should hide :-D
[Dimorier_Maximus] haha
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS1] It helps when you actually ship
[Dimorier_Maximus] LOL @ pitk
[ProvostHarrison] Remember with replies: No=no and 'no comment'=Yes :-D
[pitk] is that yes about the airbases or royalties??
[Speed_Bump] 1What's "royalty"
[GodKing] was the no comment or the yes an answer to my question?
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