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Civ3 1.21 Chat Friday, April 19, 2002

2 Months and 4 days after the second, the third civ3 patch was released and we were right here to share our experiences from the changes along with several Firaxians

In red, the operator. In blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to Jeff Morris, Dan Magaha, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado and Mike Breitkreutz


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[notyoueither] Well, he can squeal...
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[Sirotnikov] Markos probably did it as a political statement :p
[DarkeSoul] is anything being doen about selling SMACX again?
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[DarkeSoul] since I cannot find it ANYWHERE
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[ACS_MarkG] icq=too distracting
[LoQtS] Sir, ICQ is American now :)
[ImmortalWombat] MSN = much better
[Sirotnikov] Mark has a point.
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] ColdFever- You can download the 1.21f editor from Aployton and CivFanatics. And you have it already...
[panag6] icq , full of virus aswell
[Sirotnikov] since he deleted ICQ he added forum features ;)
[ImmortalWombat] *waits for flames*
[Sirotnikov] :love:
[ZeFalor] Try ICQ, AIM, MSN, and Yahoo.
[Sirotnikov] you have to know how to handle it
[LoQtS] it's also very useful... MSN s*cks...
[Sirotnikov] *flame*
[ImmortalWombat] Trillian
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[SwitchMoO] MSN isnm't much better for viruses
[DarkeSoul] Trillian
[ImmortalWombat] but it pisses up all the lists
[ZeFalor] Yes, Trillian rocks.
[|Sn00py] Microsoft chat, best irc client ever, nuff said.
[Sirotnikov] i heard nice things about trillian
[panag6] try SKYNET , now that works
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[Sirotnikov] anyway, only use israeli products
[Sirotnikov] :)
[ZeFalor] However, my point is that it's far more distracting using them all at once. :)
[Hagbart] Msn rules, trillian sucks
[SirRalph] any civ3 related issues?
[PapaLenin] Mike has upgrading path been fixed in new pach so legionary won't upg to immortals
[DarkeSoul] urm - trillian supports MSN
[panag6] msn , is costing money
[AmesJustin_yet_again] MIKE - Have any Beta Testers been hired on Permanent?
[ImmortalWombat] Trillian by my experience is probably great if you are willing to turn back on all other clients and use it faithfully
[DarkeSoul] ergo it must be better since it has other support as well :)
[ZeFalor] As I am, yay.
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[ZeFalor] yay is life.
[notyoueither] When did Legions ever upgrade to Immortals?
[Hagbart] msn is free
[ImmortalWombat] if not, it just annoys with their operation
[Sirotnikov] isn't trillian supposed to communicate with everything posssible
[ZeFalor] So is Trillian, Hag.
[Sirotnikov] including flying saucers?
[panag6] by the way , do we have to pay more then 75 us for the multiplayer
[ImmortalWombat] yeah, but it f* them all up
[ZeFalor] Something like that...only different.
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[panag6] ?
[ImmortalWombat] needs a lot of configuring
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[Hagbart] yes but trillian is ugly
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] @Mike_Breitkreutz: are there any members of the civ team that check out other civ related websites and communities bedies apolyton, civfanatics and civgames?
[PapaLenin] Didn't they in the editor of 1.17f
[ZeFalor] Trillian is skinnable, thus the 'ugly' factor means nothing.
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[ZeFalor] It's not a valid argument to say it's ugly.
[ImmortalWombat] the whole interface is ugly
[ImmortalWombat] cramped
[PapaLenin] Or musketman to musketeer if I remeber correctly
[AmesJustin_yet_again] I think mike left...
[Hagbart] hehe i didn't know that
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[Sirotnikov] excuse me, but i think that with all buttons turned on...
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[Hagbart] maybe trillian dont suck, i dont know...
[Ollie] +i
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* Hagbart is ashamed
[Sirotnikov] icq has a monopoly over the term "ugly"
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[SirRalph] dont disturb mike... he's coding multiplayer :p
[Sirotnikov] and the ICQ website even more so
[Sirotnikov] rofl @ sir ralph
[Hagbart] no he is coding editor
[ZeFalor] Yes, ICQ is ugly and last I checked doesn't come default with skin support.
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[Sirotnikov] you can download skin support though
[notyoueither] He is coding editor for MP.
[panag6] Mike , ya there ?
[Sirotnikov] but hey
[Sirotnikov] i like icq
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[ZeFalor] Sure...but it should come default. :)
[Sirotnikov] it's the original thing
[Sirotnikov] anyway, i think it's time i ask something on topic
[panag6] Mike , there is a small bug
[jimmyhe] ICQ does support skins
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[ZeFalor] Okay, so by your logic you should use an Altair.
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[panag6] sound DLL
[Hagbart] I thnik he is implementing a minimap right now!
[Hagbart] :)
[|Sn00py] I need a shower
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[Sirotnikov] are there any plans to expand espionage missions?
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[Hagbart] no
[Hagbart] comments
[Sirotnikov] snoop, why would your civ3 patch need a shower image? ;)
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[|Sn00py] Like "Plant Ebola in Moscow" ?
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[ZeFalor] jimmy, it supports skins -- but it doesn't support them by default, you must download a program to add that support to it.
[ZeFalor] That was my point.
[Sirotnikov] hagbart, are you their spokesman?
* ShadowlordB waves
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] C-Ya mike - great job so far!
[ZeFalor] Anyways, off to code.
[Sirotnikov] no more espionage missions?
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[Sirotnikov] i want more *cries*
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[Sirotnikov] i also want more special abilities
[|Sn00py] The Russians stink, they need a shower
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[Sirotnikov] you better rephrase that
[Sirotnikov] i come from russia
[Sirotnikov] ussr technically
[Sirotnikov] ukraine
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[Sirotnikov] :D
[|Sn00py] lol
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[panag6] Mike , ............................... ya civilized or drinkink that beer ?
[|Sn00py] I read that from your name
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[Hagbart] I'm not their spokesman, but I know what he'll answer!
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[Sirotnikov] ah, you know jews. we come from everywhere
[|Sn00py] ok ok The Americans need a shower
[Sirotnikov] hagbart - true
[Shadowlord13] Heh
[SirRalph] gotta go guys. see you in the boards. Have a date with Mr. Montezuma :)
[Sirotnikov] tsk tsk tsk
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[Sirotnikov] you're biting more than you can chew]
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[Sirotnikov] unless the americans here don't mind showering ;)
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[panag6] uldaber yvriet ?
[theGreyFox] I'm back, so any more questions answered?
[Sirotnikov] m_m_x still here?
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[Sirotnikov] panag, ken ani medaber ivrit.
[Hagbart] Snoop: ur roman cities look nice
[Sirotnikov] me'efo ata?
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[|Sn00py] oh, mmx, I uploaded it to civfanaticx
[panag6] hmmmmm
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[Sirotnikov] snoop - you're doing great job :b:
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[|Sn00py] you farted Sirotnikov?
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] byebye
[|Sn00py] =o)
[Sirotnikov] ROFL
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] leaving now
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[|Sn00py] hehe
[Hagbart] bye
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[Shadowlord13] Well, the computer player still seems to be expanding like crazy
[Shadowlord13] players, rather.
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[Hagbart] no ithey expand less now
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[Hagbart] imo
* Shadowlord13 raises an eyebrow
[Shadowlord13] Didn't seem that way to me...
[|Sn00py] I personally like the asians the most
* Hagbart raises two eyebrows
[Shadowlord13] Started a new game on a standard map with 8 civs, they filled up the map right quick.
[Hagbart] it did seem like that to me
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[Shadowlord13] Egyptians have 18 cities
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[ACS_MarkG] ok, we're officially ending the chat now
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[ACS_MarkG] of course if you stay, the chat goes on
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[ACS_MarkG] :)
[ACS_MarkG] but the "official end" is now...
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[ACS_MarkG] many thanks to everyone who came and of course to the Firaxis who stopped working to be here :)
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[Shadowlord13] French 13. *grumbles about not being able to get here until 5 minutes ago*
[alva848] lol
* Shadowlord13 sighs
[panag6] allas have a nice day
[notyoueither] Thanks Mike. You're a sport.
[jimmyhe] Mike: Is there an encryption password within the save file?
[|Sn00py] Cya Mike
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[ImmortalWombat] thanks Firaxians
[|Sn00py] Hey Mike, if you talked into yourself, would your voice come out the speakers?
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[LoQtS] thanks gusy
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[NL-mart] thanks firaxis
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[NL-mart] and of course MarkG
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[Gramphos] jimmyhe, he said he didn't do anything with it, so I doubt that
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] jimmy- I don't think so
[jimmyhe] Who implemented the compression?
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] jimmy- I did but it was all in a library. I just called a function basically
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[|Sn00py] So if a save was 5 megs, what would it be now?
[alva848] ok guys, see you on the boards :-) bye
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[jimmyhe] I take it this is an internal library that you use.
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[NL-mart] would it be possible to change the lib to some other freeware one (zlib, or simmilair)
[Gramphos] It is the PKWARE Data Compression Library
[Shadowlord13] or maybe it already is :P
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] jimmy- We have the pkware compression library... I just used the library provided with it.
[notyoueither] Hey Mike. Any major changes in your mind with 1.21 that we never asked about
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[Shadowlord13] that should make decompressing it easy, da?
[|Sn00py] Hey, when I add a sound file to the ambience directory, and rename it to one of your sounds, how come it doesn't play?
[Gramphos] Is it ASCII or Binary compression?
[Sirotnikov] isn't the file binary?
[Sirotnikov] it should be binary then...
[Shadowlord13] probably binary, why would they save in... what he said
[Gramphos] Dictionary size? 1, 2 or 4k?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Sn00py- I think our sound files have special formatting codes
[[m]ike] if we do a full reinstall of the game, do we have to load all of the old patches, or can we patch 1.21 strait away?
[|Sn00py] bugger
[Sirotnikov] mike - no
[Sirotnikov] i managed to put my mp3s
[Sirotnikov] :)
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[Sirotnikov] at least with previous patches
[|Sn00py] where did you put them Sirotnikov?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Gramphos-4K
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[Gramphos] You don't need any old patches
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Granphos- and Binary
[Sirotnikov] i only changed the menu music
[Gramphos] That's why the patch sioze keeps growing all the time.
[Shadowlord13] More preferences = good
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[Sirotnikov] to apocalyptica - path
[jimmyhe] Nice Roman citys |Sn00py
[Guest] guest56
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] apocalyptica == metallica + cellos?
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[Saur] civilization Spanish in civ 3?
[panag6] Mike , but sound DLL error in 0166f ?
[Shadowlord13] I just noticed something.
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[|Sn00py] woah woah woah!!!!!
[panag6] in patch 1.21
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] what about sound dll?
[Shadowlord13] I was looking at the preferences, and "Show units over cities" was off, but I could see units over cities just fine.
[jimmyhe] I'm guessing you need lisence to have the PKWare compression library?
[|Sn00py] I am missing something here, how do you add music?
[panag6] error
[Shadowlord13] I turned it on, and hit ok, it didn't change anything.
[panag6] fatal
[|Sn00py] thx jim
[panag6] sometimes
[Shadowlord13] I turned it back off, hit ok, and the units vanished :P
[Shadowlord13] Either I clicked it off without realizing it, or it was actually on and didn't know it...
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] jimmy- I'm pretty sure you can download the format details...
[panag6] on tutorial game
[panag6] fast start
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[panag6] when leaving it
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[[m]ike] if we do a complete reinstall of the game do we need to install all of the old patches or is it safe to put in 1.21f only?
[Sirotnikov] snoop, from what i see the wav files
[Sirotnikov] are simple 16 bit 22050 khz
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] mike- 1.21 includes all previous patches
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[|Sn00py] AH! I found them
[Gramphos] appnote.txt should be enough, I just have to read it and understand it. ;)
[[m]ike] Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS: thanks
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[|Sn00py] ok I see I see, thanks
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[panag6] so , if there is a eroor from 1.16 it just stayed
[panag6] error
[panag6] ?
[Sirotnikov] lol
[panag6] Mike
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[Sirotnikov] you sound like my russian computer science teacher
[Shadowlord13] Panag: No...
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[Sirotnikov] she says "yerror"
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] panag-- well, no we fixed bugs we found in previous patches but all changes include previous changes aswell.
[panag6] so its possible then ?
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[jimmyhe] Gramphos, I think the only part they are using is the VIII Decryption section at the bottom of the page.
[notyoueither] panag. A current patch includes all fixes up to that point. Including fixes for the fixes.
[|Sn00py] I like SmashFull
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[panag6] no , because the errors are only with 1.21
[Sirotnikov] panag, simply reinstall and update the bug ;)
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[Sirotnikov] it's a totally new bug with version 1.21
[panag6] we did
[Sirotnikov] much more user friendly
[Sirotnikov] ;)
[Shadowlord13] what bug?
[panag6] on 12 comps
[Sirotnikov] i have no clue
[panag6] 3 had the error
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[Sirotnikov] you have 12 copies of civ 3?
[panag6] Mike ya want the register code ?
* Shadowlord13 has no idea what panag is talking about
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[panag6] bug that is
[Sirotnikov] i think it's illegal to install one civ 3 on 12 comp's ;)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] panag- no probably wouldn't help
[Sirotnikov] :P
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[panag6] no we are with 12 now
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[Sirotnikov] eeek
[Sirotnikov] who are "we"?
[Sirotnikov] the JCC? ;)
[panag6] Mike , captured workers
[|Sn00py] the U.S government
[Sirotnikov] ROFL @ snoop
[panag6] loose their identity
[panag6] !!!!!
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] OK, gotta go now. Good chatting with you.
[|Sn00py] They play Civ3 to work out Afghanistan battle plans
[notyoueither] Bye Mike
[Shadowlord13] bye
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[|Sn00py] cya mike
[Sirotnikov] mike is scared of our intellect ;)
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[Sirotnikov] and our bad taste jokes
[Sirotnikov] bye
[panag6] TRUE
[Sirotnikov] (even though he's away
[panag6] hmmm
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[notyoueither] Gotta go too. Back to work.
[LoQtS] dammit, just as I had come up with another question...
[ACS_MarkG] bye mike
[ACS_MarkG] well i'm going too
[|Sn00py] I better go, shower is calling, and it shouldn't be calling coz showers don't talk, and thats why I have to go
[ACS_MarkG] log will be up asap
[panag6] they logged in as guest
[notyoueither] See ya
[|Sn00py] bye! FIX THE FORUMS MARKG
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[NL-mart] wow that's quick mark
[LoQtS] ASAP, not now... :rolleyes: (zo snel mogelijk)
[Sirotnikov] rofl @ snoop again
[Shadowlord13] What was your question?
[panag6] markos , enjoy the moon and stars
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* Shadowlord13 is mostly just curious
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Session Close: Sat Apr 20 01:54:40 2002

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