Civ3 1.21 Chat Friday, April 19, 2002
2 Months and 4 days after the second, the third
civ3 patch was released and we were right here to share our experiences from the changes along
with several Firaxians
In red, the operator. In
blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to
Jeff Morris, Dan Magaha, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado and Mike Breitkreutz
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[ACS_MarkG] soren would you like to work on an rts?
[theGreyFox] I have Win XP, and I can play Civ3
[ImmortalWombat] any details?
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[godking] Wish we can have the chats after I had a chance to try the new patch. Any chance of this happening? "thinking positive!!! 8-) "
[panag6] beer , we all pay ya one for free , if , .............ya stay all day/night
[Free_Mumia] Civ3 rts would be insane
[AmesJustin_yet_again] MIKE - ist possible to get a unit like the Explorer, and modify it with the editor into an attack unit? I tried several times and kept crashing....
[LoQtS] how exactly would that work then? what would you improve compared to AoE?
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[SirRalph] grey fox: so do I, it was just a troll :p
[|Sn00py] Mike are you at home or at work right now?
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[ZeFalor] Mike: About the Civ3 INI file...is there a list of arguments we can use in that in addition to screen res, etc?
[panag6] what about a decent read-me with the patches and a decent help file ?
[ACS_MarkG] me thinks he's still at work
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] LoQtS- You'd need a lot more control than they give you in AoK -- and a better interface.
[Kilroy] so, was there any breaking news involving the editor during this chat?
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[Guest66137] ..1G(R)EEK: Thanks for all the wonderful work (so far)
[Free_Mumia] i was wondering when do the AI civs stop respawning when you kill them?
[AmesJustin_yet_again] already v. good panag
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[Gzint] Mike: I wanted to play Civ3 in a VMWARE virtual machine, but get a "A debugger is running. Close it and try again." message. Apparently VMWARE looks like a debugger to the code that checks. Any way to work around?
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Sn00py- I'm still at work -- multitasking between coding and chatting ;)
[Guest66137] .G(R)EEK: And sorry for the bold letters
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[|Sn00py] Who believes Bush knew about the WTC crash before it happened?
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[Hagbart] What are u coding??
[Theseus] Coding... AH HA!
[notyoueither] Subliminal message: Code AA ;)
[|Sn00py] He is coding a better way to search for porn
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Hagbart - no comment!
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] @MIKE: I was wondering. Are you satisfied with the way Civ3 turned out or would you have liked to do something differently??
[ZeFalor] Snoopy, don't you know... Janet Reno == Osama
[ImmortalWombat] [--- coding too. *loves SLIC*
[Sultan_Richard] Hi-- Mike: How do you get Civilisation-specific starting locations in the Map Editor?
[NL-mart] ah slic is nice heh
[BigWilli] ..13sn00py and other clever guys: why do you play the thing with the modern look and not the thing with civilized micromanagement? isn't it poor, to play only against a stupid ai and not against wise men?
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[NL-mart] *hint* ;)
[player1] .1Slic! Slic! Slic!
[Hagbart] Is it very secret Mike?
[notyoueither] Hi Ming
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Hendrik- I think for the most part I'm pretty satisfied. As a developer I would always like more time to work on things... but then they'd never get finished.
[Guest65822] or the basic cheat mode found in civ 2. that was useful
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[|Sn00py] Huh?
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[SirRalph] *applauds*
[panag6] Mike what about a cheat ?
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] what would you have liked to put in that isn't in it ?
[AmesJustin_yet_again] yay
[|Sn00py] What was he on about?
[notyoueither] Gawd. He banned Ming!
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[APerfectGimp] lol
[Guest65822] yeah it was just great for scenario design
[theGreyFox] .Question: .Why did you take away the Multi-cheat?
[Guest65822] or even curing AI stupidites
[Free_Mumia] Are you making Civ 4?
[theGreyFox] It was great when modding
[APerfectGimp] He's going to say no comment, Free Mumia
[|Sn00py] they don't like releasing unoffical things theGreyFox?
[Free_Mumia] ok
[Gramphos] Markos: Will there be a 1.21 tournament soon?
[APerfectGimp] You might as well ask him his favorite vowel
[Free_Mumia] lol
[panag6] yeah , a cheat , it would solve a lot
[player1] .1Mike, has anybody in team (exept Speed Bump) played my MOD?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] GreyFox - Because we didn't put that in (leftover from extremely early build) and it caused lots of bad things to happen behind the scenes.
[Kilroy] Mike: Sorry if this has already been addressed. Is Firaxis even considering releasing a more functional, yet unsupported editor. Is this something that has even a CHANCE of happening in the future? If not, when can the mod community expect the editor release (not along with the next patch, I hope)?
[SirRalph] Gramphos: don't use the t-word ;)
[ZeFalor] They are making SimTerrorists, Mumia.
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] player1- I haven't but I can't answer for anyone else.
[panag6] say Gramphos , CPT , does it go with 1.21 ?
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* Hagbart hands a beer to Mike: Comeon tell us what u're coding?
[Free_Mumia] sim terrorists eh
[ZeFalor] Objective: To establish a functional terrorist network around the world without being caught.
[theGreyFox] .All:. I am organizing a Tournament. Visit Civfanatics to check it out.
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Kilroy- sorry can't answer that
[Guest65822] why does the AI enjoy walking into your territory, find the exact centre, and then builing a city?
[Guest66137] .G(R)EEK: I hope this isn't in Bold letters, single thing you are most proud of Civ 3, Firaxis
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] enough terror talk...
[Free_Mumia] using drug money
[|Sn00py] hm. Firaxis said that they're not sure if they want to release the mulitplayer by download or add-on, which leaves me to believe that there is a lot of hard coded multiplayer stuff inside the current civ3
[jimmyhe] Mike: Is the file appnote.zip at http://www.pkware.com/download.html enough to uncompress the save files???
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Guest- Limited or not, I'm most proud of the editor. You should have seen it before I got my hands on it....
[Free_Mumia] mmm multiplayer stuff
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] @MIKE: If there is one thing you would have liked to place in Civ3 that is not in it, what would that be?
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[APerfectGimp] Hey Firaxis guys, what did you think about that guy's rant about how the Theory of Evolution shouldn't be in Civ3? ;)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] jimmy- probably but I'm not sure. I didn't do anything special to it.
[AmesJustin_yet_again] ?
[Hagbart] Will the Editor get even better?
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[Gramphos] panag6: No, no savegame editing program does, and unless I can decompress the saves I can't do mush
[Guest65822] like a basic mini map??
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Gimp- didn't read it
[Kilroy] Mike: good, thing
[Free_Mumia] what civ would you like to have included in Civ3, but didn't?
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[panag6] yeah Mike , the editor , that's because they called ya , i start to get it , aldo , its a long road
[|Sn00py] The Theory of Evolution is easy. God Created Evolution. There you go, simple logic. =o)
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Mumia- Vikings
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[Free_Mumia] yeah vikings would be awesome
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[Free_Mumia] longboats
[theGreyFox] Mike: Yeah! Vikings!
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] I agree.
[woke25] man, what a crowd here!
[AmesJustin_yet_again] MIKE - Has date-altering already been addressed? this would be very useful to set a scenario timeframe?
[Hagbart] Yes GOGOGO!!! VIKINGS!!
[Free_Mumia] berserkers?
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[ZeFalor] APerfectGimp, they probably pointed and laughed...like most of us would.
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Ames- not yet
[panag6] so , there are going to be more civs , come on , how many ?
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[Free_Mumia] 6?
[ACS_MarkG] guest, stop the bold. thanks
[Theseus] Gotta go... Mike, I just want to say I think you guys have done a fantastic job, including the ongoing support and involvement with the community. Keep it up.
[woke25] any good 1x1x players here?
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[Spiffor] .4Question.4 Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS : is it imaginable, in the editor, to edit city-specialists producing something else than money-science-happiness (like culture or shields) ? Or is the limited role of specialists definitely hardcoded ?
[|Sn00py] A modern Viking would be cool to see
[panag6] Mike , worked on C&C ?
[Spiffor] Oh, sorry for the wholly red question, my bad
[ZeFalor] Mike: My mother is on the phone and she's singing country songs...any ideas?
[Free_Mumia] yeah viking tanks
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[Kilroy] good question spiffor
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] Culural specialists would be cool
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Spiffor- A good idea but I doubt we'd make a change like that now.
[Hagbart] Just as cool as a modern roman...
[player1] How about specialist making more then 1 bulb or coin?
[notyoueither] They're cool
[Kilroy] player1: you can already do that
[Free_Mumia] are you going to add any more luxuries?
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[Spiffor] Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS : Sure, but is it ever imaginable in the far future, or is it hardcoded ?
[AmesJustin_yet_again] editor can player1 - my mod has 3
[player1] in editor :((
[player1] not in official game :((
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[SirRalph] Mike: why is a simple add of city and leader names considered a "rule change", including a warning box popping up when I start a game?
[benjdm] In the editor, what kind of range is used in the retreat bonus aspect of combat experience ? Are we talking a range of 0- 10, 0-1000, other ?
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[|Sn00py] Is Sid Meier there?
[player1] Has my Mod too, but that's not the point.
[|Sn00py] Imagine if his first name was "Ad"
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] SirRalph- because that info is stored in the rules.... You can change that now with the use of player properties -- where it won't be a rule change.
[SirRalph] ah thanks
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[godking] Gotta go. Thanks for the chat. Keep up the good work. Great Game!!! We (or at least I) do appreciate the fact that you do continue to support and keep the community involved. Later all. 8-)
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[Free_Mumia] if there is civ3 multiplayer would it be like SMAC or would there be a place for it like zone.com?
[PhoenixPhlame73] .1i have a question, how is Civilization connected to Civilization : Call To Power
[Kilroy] .1oh boy
[player1] just in name
[LoQtS] ?phoenix: not. CtP is a league above civ3 :P
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[Grynox] heh
[theGreyFox] Mike: I will leave myself now, thanks for answering our Questions as good as you could! And thanks for a great game!
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[ImmortalWombat] just one league?
[Hagbart] CTP sucks
[PhoenixPhlame73] LoQtS : I agree totally
[Free_Mumia] bigtime
[player1] CTP is not bad.
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] Will Firaxis continue to support and develop Civ3 in the coming years like they did with Civ2? It has the potential to eventually be much better in time...
[Kilroy] yeah, a league above in the crash dept
[Spiffor] Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS : can we have basic info if the future development of the editor will underline the rules-modding or the creation-making ? Or that classified info too ?
[Free_Mumia] lol
[Hagbart] CTP is ugly
[|Sn00py] What does CTP have that Civ3 doesn't?
[penfold] ctp2 is even worse
[SirRalph] civctp and ctp2 are good games but no match for civ3
[LoQtS] SLIC
[SwitchMoO] I haven't heard good things about CtP
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] classified
[Free_Mumia] lol
[player1] CTP2 has SLIC!
[notyoueither] read. They're here. It's ongoing.
[PhoenixPhlame73] tha graphics are actually realistic.......
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[Free_Mumia] well thank you for the great game you made (and are still making) I got to go l8r
[ImmortalWombat] combat system. slic. nuff sed
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[Kilroy] public works and laborers were the only really good things ctp brings to the table
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[SwitchMoO] Is there any chance of official scenarios, like the ones for SMAC?
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[Kilroy] too bad neither of those were in civ3
[|Sn00py] It's good that you guys are still working on it as hard as this
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[Hagbart] Can u tell us anything about the future of Civ3, which is not classified?
[AmesJustin_yet_again] MIKE - Any chance of you posting some scenarios YOU created?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Hagbart- no
[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] @Mike_Breitkreutz: What other Civ-Communities in the web do you visit from time to time other than Apolyton?
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Ames- I've only had time to do that one map so far...
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Hendrik- CivFanatics and CivGame
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] Played it... pretty good....
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