Civ3 1.21 Chat Friday, April 19, 2002
2 Months and 4 days after the second, the third
civ3 patch was released and we were right here to share our experiences from the changes along
with several Firaxians
In red, the operator. In
blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to
Jeff Morris, Dan Magaha, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado and Mike Breitkreutz
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[chiefpaco] they answered that: We used the commercial version of the PKWare data compression library
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[theGreyFox] ok
[|Sn00py] yes Gramphos needs to add things like Olympics and sending diseases to enemies, etc
[YuMMz] Firaxis: Any chance for a popup window to tell you that a city is going to go into disorder next turn?
[AmesJustin_yet_again] SMAC has unique terrain/landmarks
[|Sn00py] So you need to make sure Gramphos can do that Firaxis
[player1] Soren, how are bombard chances claculated when bombing cities?
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[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] yummz: i believe the "manage moods" governor will take care of this a turn ahead for you now
[allow_us_to_speak] just put your governor on if yiou dont want civil disorder ever
[patlasch] I'd like a scripting language eventually
[Theseus] Will there ever be a unified trading window?
[panag6] what about a placement tool in the editor
[AmesJustin_yet_again] I second that
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[notyoueither] Mike or Soren. Can you add a Fortify All function, or Sleep all?
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[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] player1: i believe there is a 50% chance of targeting units, 25% chance of targeting buildings, and 25% chance for population
[player1] Script! Script! Script! Script!
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[Theseus] Good, nye.
[Spiffor] Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS : is it a chance that patches get released every 2 months, or is this schedule planned in advance ?
[|Sn00py] you know what I would do, give Gramphos the source code and make him sigh a contract saying he can't release it, blah blah
[player1] thanks!
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[ZeFalor] Fortify all would be nifty.
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Spiffor-chance.
[Spiffor] ok
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[theGreyFox] .Q:. Why do you need Horses to upgrade e.g Chariots to Horsemen, or Horsemen to Samurai's?
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[YuMMz] Firaxis: Thanks alot for your responses time for me to try the new patch! Cya
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[|Sn00py] Civ3-Haters have joined a Civ3 chat room
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] greyfox: huh... i never thought of it that way...
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] Firaxis does rule
[|Sn00py] your intelligence is interesting
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[draz3] any chance the dutch will reappear in the XP?
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[ShaggyRA] Hello
[Guest] Civ 3 rocks
[allow_us_to_speak] mwa
[APerfectGimp] The dutch have yet to reappear on the world map as far as I'm concerned
[ACS_MarkG] there ARE mazochists in this world snoopy :D
[panag6] what about more civs , Soren ?
[APerfectGimp] They don't do anything.
[notyoueither] Repeat: Mike or Soren. Can you add a Fortify All function, or Sleep all?
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] panag: sorry, can't discuss that.
[NL-mart] I would hope we reappear :)
[|Sn00py] yeah, oh well, I like variety
[draz3] :)
* ZeFalor snickers...the Dutch.
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] Is it possible to add more cultural levels?
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] nye- Not sure. I'll look into it.
[allow_us_to_speak] hey come on there trying there best at an anarchy
[SirRalph] if the zulus get wiped out BC, they respawn as dutch :p
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[draz3] lol
[notyoueither] Greeaaaat! It would really help late game.
[panag6] okay , what about increased range for airunits , So ?ren
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[APerfectGimp] Is it possible to replace America with Canada in the next patch?
[NL-mart] the dutch?
[Hagbart] We want to be able to set player starting locations in the editor!
* ZeFalor chuckles.
[GER-Jennifer] I would want an option to turn off being asked to build an aqueduct or hospital. Is this possible?
[|Sn00py] You won't believe it, but there are ppl who hate my gfx, AMAZING eh?
[ZeFalor] The Empire.
[Guest84311] lol@glonk
[APerfectGimp] I conducted a study in my neighborhood and everyone agrees the Americans are useless
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[ZeFalor] Canada should be changed to 'The Empire'
[NL-mart] ppl hate your gfx? nah that's not possible
[allow_us_to_speak] i second that Canadian thing
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[|Sn00py] I KNOW...
[NL-mart] |sn00py is god
[NL-mart] heh
[notyoueither] Canada is the secret empire. Oops
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[Guest81418] Any chance of a drugs resource in the modern era for that bit of extra gold
[Civ3-Hater] ..6kronic, caution: here are many civ3-lovers... and many guys from firaxis with no comments...
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[AmesJustin_yet_again] Firaxis is in the US, APG, they will not lose it....
[SirRalph] Mike: Is there a chance to tell the domestic advisor not to ask about aqueduct and hospitals? may be as preference?
[ShaggyRA] I've tried a couple different mods and they crash - the regular game works ok - any suggestions
[|Sn00py] Mike, Soren, how many hours do you spend on Civ3 a week?
[notyoueither] And 1 butt-head
[theGreyFox] .Question:. Why was Pop-Rushing made so un-usable in 1.17? And why change back now?
[panag6] Mike , Soren , what about increased air range , ie , more then 8 spaces ?
[player1] Soren, why cost of steal tech mission doesn't get techs cost in calculations?
[winzity] We need a player to a Civ 2 MP game! Please mess winzity at ICQ 30339567
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] SirRalph-I'll look into it
[Spiffor] Soren_Johnson_Firaxis : While you Programmers and QA are working on the patch, what are the artists doing ? Do they work for future development of Civ3, do they work for other Firaxis projects, did they lose their job at Firaxis after the release ?
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[allow_us_to_speak] yes about the espionage missions, any chance there cost will be lowered
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] greyfox: well, it was the only dominant startegy that emerged, so we devalued it in 1.17, but we went too far, so we pulled it back a little less. no big conspiracy.
[Hagbart] Soren, can you tell us about the future of the editor?
[kronic] gut zu wissen, civ3-hasser
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Spiffor- They're still here working on unannounced projects
[IceElement] (real-life) civ locations on the world map would be sweet
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[alexman] Could you save me some trouble? :-) Do courthouses affect corruption from number of cities now, or is their 1.17 effect just strengthened?
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] spiffor: our artists are working on unannounced future projects.
[APerfectGimp] Is there a reason why "precision strike" is anything but a precision strike? Namely, why does it kill civilians and buildings rather than military units?
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* ZeFalor agrees with IceElement.
[Theseus] Dominae wants "The Mountie."
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[Theseus] Why is there no way to adjust corruption due to number of cities?
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[notyoueither] I can feel XP coming.
[|Sn00py] Dinosaurs playing golf!
[Guest81418] lol
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] alexman, courthouses (and police stations) do affect the # of citys value for corruption...
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Golfasaurus
[|Sn00py] YES
[Gzint] Is there a list somewhere of the INI file options? I remember a post with several... Can't remember where it is, though...
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[notyoueither] On a space ship
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[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] theseus: you can via the editor
[GER-Jennifer] Why do mostly boys play your games? ;)
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[alexman] Thanks Soren - this is great
[|Sn00py] Actually, that would be quite fun
[Civ3-Hater] ..2how many patches will be need, that civilizaion iii can't be more called as a virus?
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[ACS_MarkG] no, no, no, the XP will have a special dinos civ with all unique dino uunits!
[AmesJustin_yet_again] GolfZilla
[allow_us_to_speak] cause women are brainwashed into believing there better
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[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] or in the game, build FP, courthous, police station, be a democracy, be in WLTKD, be a Commercial civ.
[Timeline] Hey Soren and Mike, you guys are my heros :)
[Spiffor] Soren, Mike : it's not a question, but I'd like to thank you for answering this lmuch, even if it is difficult to follow the stream on the chat. And thanks for being more precise than "no comment" even if you don't tell the secrets !
[theGreyFox] .Question:. How much does, and how does Courthouses and Police stations affect corruption? Different between Waste and Corruption?
[jimmyhe] Some one ban Civ2-Hater!
[notyoueither] How many girls want to conquer the world. It's a guy thing.
[|Sn00py] I miss the old good games... the ones made 10 yrs ago and before.. all games made today have to live up to an expectation of technology and not funwise
[|Sn00py] oh well, just like popsingers
[AmesJustin_yet_again] THX mark
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[GER-Jennifer] I want to ;)
[[m]ike] Are there any efforts at making the larger maps more playable? I have heard it is something in the culture routine that slows down turns on huge maps.
[panag6] Firaxis , please expand the Q & A on the site(s)
[LoQtS] girls don't want to conquer the world because they already rule it anyway :)
[notyoueither] Good on ya. Are you single?
[allow_us_to_speak] we must fight back
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] greyfox: it is the same effect for both waste and corruption... they basically cut the difference in half and add 1/4 of the optimal # of cities (which would be 4 on a normal map)
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[player1] Can we more chats, not just one after release of patch?
[GER-Jennifer] yes i am, but far away ;)
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[ACS_MarkG] we'll try player1
[notyoueither] My loss.
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] mike: it is the pathfinding which slows down the larger maps...
[allow_us_to_speak] she's also ten
[player1] OK, mark
[AmesJustin_yet_again] Would it be possible to add negative values for things like defense and pollution?
[[m]ike] Soren interesting
[ZeFalor] Is there any reason the spaceship looks like a penis? (yes, this is a joke :)
[theGreyFox] .Question: .Each of the buildings add 1/4 to the Optimum number?
[[m]ike] not everyday you get a response like that, thanks :P
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Ames- some things do allow negative values
[|Sn00py] Put a big condom over it so it can reenter earth
[ZeFalor] lol@Snoopy
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[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] greyfox: yes.. the FP and being Commercial has a similar effect (not sure about their values)
[panag6] Mike , Soren , 1.21 patch , captured workers lose their identity , ie , they show as yours outside the city's one moment , the other moment not
[player1] What about making anti-air ships in next patch?
[Hagbart] When is Civ3 completely finished?
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[player1] to be used together with lethal bombing.
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[|Sn00py] I find it strange that patches seem to fix some things but screw up others? Are you really Microsoft in disguise?
[notyoueither] Har
[AmesJustin_yet_again] lol
[IceElement] :D
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[Guest65822] wow it just overwrote my civ3mod.bic
[theGreyFox] Firaxis.:. Oh, I thought you meant that Courthouses & Policestations Added 1/4 of the optimum... silly me...
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[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] snoopy: well, we didn't have a good patch-testing process before. We are much more confident about 1.21.
[Soren_Johnson_Firaxis] the beta testers helped a great deal
[|Sn00py] cool
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Yeah. Go beta team!
[GER-Jennifer] 1.21 doesn't work on german operating systems
[APerfectGimp] Woo!
[[m]ike] I think it is great you guys are moving towards scenario and multiplayer, I am drooling over this game still.
[player1] Firaxis: How many of you guys is woriking on next patch?
[Guest65822] and when will multi come out again?
[notyoueither] There are no Germans on the beta team :(
[Spiffor] .4Question.1 : some people (incl. myself) on the Forums had the idea of a unique popup between turns, where the Advisors told every news they had to tell. Did you consider this, or was this idea unspotted ?
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