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Civ3 1.21 Chat Friday, April 19, 2002

2 Months and 4 days after the second, the third civ3 patch was released and we were right here to share our experiences from the changes along with several Firaxians

In red, the operator. In blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to Jeff Morris, Dan Magaha, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado and Mike Breitkreutz

Session Start: Fri Apr 19 22:51:45 2002
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*** Topic is 'Apolyton.net Channel - 1.21 Civ3 Patch Chat - 20 minutes to go.'
*** Set by ACS_MarkG on Fri Apr 19 22:39:54
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[Hagbart] hi
[Spain_in_civ3] .4hi
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[Mizaq] watch it Acooper she might be watching
[Hagbart] MarkG: do u know who's coming?
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] we want names
[Acooper] ;)
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[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] i need to prepare voodo dools
[GER-Jennifer] wait 5 minutes and you will know
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] err voodoo
[Seeker] ola
[GER-Jennifer] in the springtime of his voodoo
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[Hagbart] my guest is mike
[Hagbart] bruitkrazt
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[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] yea
[Seeker] how is this moderated?
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] but firaxians travel in packs
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[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] they dotn want me cornering one of them
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[Mizaq] its a legal thing
[ACS_MarkG] we dont have exact confirmations
[Hagbart] and soren
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] no ones comming are they
[GER-Jennifer] hi kai
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[GER-Hendrik_the_Great] hi kai
[notyoueither] We must be granted the blessing of the Sombrero
[Hagbart] maybe jeff will stop by, and say he likes bear
[Mizaq] you weren't invited to the real chat room
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[Hagbart] beer that is
[notyoueither] Beeeeer!!!
[Mizaq] whats with the guest name? noob or anon flamer?
[Spiffor] I prefer yoghurts
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] OH, ANON FLAMER
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] GOOD IDEA
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[Mizaq] spiffor want a hertz donut?
[notyoueither] Hey Spencer
[SirRalph] Guest03142 will 21:00 change his nick to Sid_Meier_FIRAXIS
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] lol
[Hagbart] hehe
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] one day
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] this summer
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] i'm takign a road trip to MD
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] to see sid.
[patlasch] sid wouldn't show up here, not enough protection
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[GHOB] who's sid?
[xwho] lol
[SirRalph] God is dead... Marx said
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[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] Neitche said.
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[Spiffor] GHOB : the worshipped designer of Civ1
[notyoueither] Hi ixnay
[SirRalph] or nietzsche
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] hey it's kyller!
[GHOB] oh that fella
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] yea i cant spell.
[ixnay37] hello
[GHOB] the one that no longer likes civ eh?
[ACS_MarkG] ok people, since we're quite a crowd, i'll try going in moderated with groups of 4-5 people
[GHOB] he likes golf i hear
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] Kyller and Vgriph...
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] :-P
[ACS_MarkG] we'll being as soon as the celebrities start showing up.... :D
[Hagbart] what??
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] alright.
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[notyoueither] Rodent droppings
[Spiffor] ACS_MarkG : I don't understand
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] what he's going to do
[Acooper] What groups?
[xwho] why cant we all behave civilized?
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] is make the room moderated
[Hagbart] what if they dump us
[Mizaq] didn't you read the transcript from the last chat?
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] he makes it so only certain people can talk
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] but all can listen
[notyoueither] Rats. Dissapointment. :(
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[SpencerH] How many are aware that you cant add units to 1.21?
[Spiffor] OK
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] and he'll switch it around.
[Hagbart] remember the minimap!!!!
[GER-Jennifer] me :)
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] :-D
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[GHOB] yes the minimap
[Mizaq] everyone should be aware, it doesn't say anything in the readme about it
[Acooper] JEFF!
* UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer grins sinisterly.
[Wittlich] ..3Hello again all - Just one of me this time ;)
[Hagbart] hes here
[GHOB] excellent
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[SirRalph] While we're waiting for the Firaxians: Markos, what did happen to the Apolyton-tournaments?
[patlasch] This is about to get interesting, hagbart and uberkrux
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Hey guys
[notyoueither] Hi Jeff
[Gramphos] Hi
[GHOB] hello there jeff
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[Acooper] howdy jeff
[SirRalph] hello
[Hetairoi22] Hi
[Mizaq] hihi
[Seeker] hello
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Some other Firaxians are on their way
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[Emmet] this is cool
[Tusk] hello Jeff
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] Sid?
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] :)
[Seeker] Lets moderate this
[Hetairoi22] Dan?
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS: it'd be nice if you got sid :)
[Mizaq] is joe coming?
[GHOB] sid in a civ chat room? dear gosh no
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] lol
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[Hagbart] joe??
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] one day i'm going to shake his hand.
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[Mizaq] joe mama!
[Emmet] he'd never survive
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[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] one day.
[Gramphos] Why is ther no cancel button in the Goto City dialog?
[Gramphos] there
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[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] shhhh
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] let everyone get settled.
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Sorry...trying to get my car out of the shop....ready to chat now
* Hagbart looks around: Are we ready?
[Hetairoi22] k
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] we're waitign on a few more, then markos has to moderate.
* Spiffor has a question for Jeff
[Osweld] get your car out of the shop? is that a euphanism?
[patlasch] nice to know you're so had at work jeff
[Seeker] I'd like to know if the patch is compatible with Marla's and other mods
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] That's a mike b question...
[Mizaq] what is going to be talked about today? or should i just read the transcript?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] That map is pretty much a mod so who knows
[Spiffor] Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS : Well, the ones who work on the patches are programmers and QA. My question is : what are the artists doing during this time ? Are they preparing new graphics & sounds for an XP ?
[Hagbart] It's a very nice patch
[UberKruX-Wheres-Multiplayer] whats a Jeff M question?
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[Acooper] My mod keeps craching :(
[notyoueither] So what's next Jeff? Patches? XP?
[GHOB] jeff how many max hit points can a unit or army have in their health bar?
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[ACS_MarkG] time out :)
[ACS_MarkG] Ladies and Gentleman welcome to one more Apolyton Chat
[ACS_MarkG] tonight's topic is the new civ3 patch along with everything else civ3 related of course :)
[ACS_MarkG] with us is Jeff Morris and hopefully more Firaxians are on their way....
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[ACS_MarkG] a note from DanQ: he cant be here with us today due to university exmas tomorrow morning....
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[ACS_MarkG] Jeff?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Yar?
[ACS_MarkG] say hello to the crowd :)
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Hey guys! Glad you could all make it!
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[ACS_MarkG] we'll try it this time in moderation with groups of 5 geting voices to ask their questions
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Sounds good
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Dan and Mike B are on the way
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[ACS_MarkG] dont ask all together, and try to be.... gentle :D
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Who's first
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] ?
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[ACS_MarkG] those with mirc can join the the open channel #apolytonpublic
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[ACS_MarkG] we'll go alphabetically
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[ACS_MarkG] people who see a + next to their name can speak :)
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[ACS_MarkG] letme do the first question and get off with it
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff any word on MP :D
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Nope....
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] I've lots of opinions but nothing to say
[ACS_MarkG] cool :D
[chiefpaco] what was the reasoning behind the compressed file save format?
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[ACS_MarkG] i kindly ask mr Magaha to use his own name :D
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Hit Mike B with that...Mike
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[Sombero] okay, okay =(
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Mike'll get that one
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Saved games were compressed because they were too large; they took up too much space.
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[Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS] Nice to see you're still a master of subtlety, Uber.
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] HAW
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Any others?
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[ACS_MarkG] Mike what kind of compression do you use?
[Daaraa] I use the LWC mod and there are a lot of added units. Why is that option not available any more?
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[ACS_MarkG] Gramphos etc will need to update their utilities
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[ACS_MarkG] repeat: those with mirc can join the the open channel #apolytonpublic
[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Adding units was never supposed to be available. It was possible through the use of hacks and such. We are not quite ready to support it through the editor.
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[chiefpaco] yeah, it sort of seems that as many options were added in the editor, some were taken away in the editor & with utilities
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[Daaraa] I'm not too sure some of the modders really cared if it was supported or not.
[ACS_MarkG] Jeff (continue the silly questions) do we have an announceable plan on what we can expect to see more from civ3 (from patches to expansion packs)
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] You know the answer...as we're seeing with MOO3 there are a lot of dangers associated with being completely candid about software developm,enmt
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] We're into talking about what we know we can deliver on
[Daaraa] Otherwise I really like the game and I feel you guys have done a good job.
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[EeUberKRuX] ahhh
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Another thing
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[UberKruX] first off, i'd like to ask about the minimap in the editor (people are ranting in the pub)
[chiefpaco] I really like the changes in this one, seems to be more of an effort to make things customizable, rather than imposed tweaks
[UberKruX] any plans for one?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] We're just the developer. Civ is a francise worth millions to many corparations across the world. The development of new features for it is a big deal
[Acooper] Can you explain the AI to AI tech rate feature?
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] We need to look out for the viability of the property as well as the desires of the hardcore and casual fans
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] As I understand it, soren toned it down
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] They do it sometimes, but not everytime...I could be mistaken...Barry has a good grip on it...better than me
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[Acooper] It says there is a way to change it, I'm not sure how
[Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS] The editor help file explains how the rate works as well
[Aeson] Is there any plan to address Scout resource denial (or is it an undocumented feature of 1.21f)?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Awesome
[Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS] Coop, it's on the difficulty levels page
[Acooper] Ok Dan.
* UberKruX repeats: first off, i'd like to ask about the minimap in the editor (people are ranting in the pub). any plans for one?
[Acooper] thanks
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] It's kind of an exploit
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Everytime we swat one of those down, it tends to introduce problems...Unless it's major it most likely will be left as is...sort of like an AI exploit...don't do it if you think
* UberKruX wonders how many firaxians have ignored me already
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] it's unbalancing...Uber...wait your turn
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] nm
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[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] No details yet on minimap
[ACS_MarkG] hi Soren!
[SorenJohnson] hello
[SorenJohnson] having some technical difficulties, so I will be dropping in and out...
[Acooper] Is there anything we HAVE to do to make our old mods work in with the new patch?
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] As I've said before...not being able to talk about a feature and not know what you're talking about are radically different things
[UberKruX] from the pub: [16:18] [xwho] i wanna know from the firaxis ppl why they think a game is worth 50 euros without mp?
[Acooper] Mine keeps crashing
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[UberKruX] and i shall wait my turn for that answer.
[Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS] uber, that sounds like a philosophical question about the merits of capitalism and free market economy to me
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[Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS] Acooper, you shouldn't have to do anything to your existing mod to make it work...
[UberKruX] Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS: it's also an ethical question of luring sales with promises of a multiplayer system out of box.
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] Next question?
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[Acooper] Hmm... It crashes early in the game.
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[Dan_Magaha_FIRAXIS] heads up, it's about to rain over here in Hunt Valley, so we may lose power and net at any time...
[Jeff_Morris_FIRAXIS] roger
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