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Agathon
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Former Lehman CEO Richard Fuld was attacked and knocked out cold while on the treadmill the day after announcing that Lehman had gone bankrupt.

“From two very senior sources – one incredibly senior source – that he went to the gym after … Lehman was announced as going under. He was on a treadmill with a heart monitor on. Someone was in the corner, pumping iron and he walked over and he knocked him out cold. And frankly after having watched this, I’d have done the same too.”

It’s about time these corporate thugs suffered some kind of punishment for running their companies into the ground at tax payer’s expense, then walking away with millions.


http://www.thehotjoints.com/2008/10...ocked-out-cold/



Good job.

I can't for the life of me work out why he'd put the heart monitor on? What was he expecting?

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to find his?

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Must put a face with the name for a story this good! GREAT find, Agathon!!

-=Vel=-

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and no...I didn't sift through a big collection of pics. This is the first one I found.

He just really DOES look like a total tool.

-=Vel=-

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"Someone was in the corner, pumping iron and he walked over and he knocked him out cold. "

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tool???

the guy lost a billion in all this... well I am sure he is still well funded in other ways, but he is surely one of biggest individual losers in all this...

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I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, OneFootInTheGrave....after he gets out of the private hospital I'm sure he's been checked into, I doubt he'll be missing any meals...

I'm with the guy who coldcocked him. Why do we treat these people like folk heroes?

-=Vel=-

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Christ. Are you guys going to make me defend this *******?

-Arrian

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Sure, punching him was a moral wrong. No denying that.

But I can *definitely* understand the frustration that led to the act, and this tool's wrongs, and all the lives he has impacted by playing fast and loose (then whining and b*tching for a rescue!?!?)....that goes way beyond whatever wrong was done to him via a solid right. IMO, of course.

-=Vel=-

(but that's about as close as I can bring myself to defending him)

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Oh, of course. My wife was watching the news last night and there was a little bit about Fuld. She was not kind to the man, and I agree.

Hell, he may deserve prison time (doubt it, but possible). If so, fine by me. Nation of laws and all that, what what.

-Arrian

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Heh....I dunno Arrian....put him in prison and he'll prolly get WAY worse than a punch to the jaw....

-=Vel=-

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That's another matter that should be dealt with, btw.

Also, probably not really, as his prison would be a "white collar" prison.

-Arrian

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GRRR....yes, and that gripes my @ss too! These guys lose billions, squander other people's futures, and typically, our response is to:

a) Ride to their rescue
b) Slap their wrists (if that)
c) IF we imprison them, we send them to a country club style place, and make sure their golden parachutes are waiting for them when they get out.

Which goes back to what I mentioned before 'bout treating them like folk heroes.

They're crooks!

They've redefined criminality and taken it to heights I can barely even dream about.

And we idolize them?

That makes me sad to think about.

-=Vel=-

(wasn't it Andrew Jackson who had "I beat the bank!" put on his tombstone? Maybe he had the right idea after all...)

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Commie.



-Arrian

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Christ. Are you guys going to make me defend this *******?

-Arrian


Why would you want to? Our society is hopeless at punishing this sort of crime. If a doctor had caused the death or disablement of a patient through malpractice, he would lose his license. Yet this man has probably caused the early deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of people, whose retirement savings have been depleted or wiped out by his negligence, and who now will not be able to afford the standard of health care they could previously have afforded.

We live in a society that punishes people for small scale murder, but once you get up to killing or maiming hundreds or thousands it is really hard to get jail time.

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Commie.



You mighta just made Aggie and Kid's day!

-=Vel=-

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Yet this man has probably caused the early deaths of hundreds, if not thousands of people


I find this claim dubious - particularly so if we do in fact improve our health care system in this country (not holding breath). That being said, I know what you're saying. He's caused substantial harm.

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We live in a society that punishes people for small scale murder, but once you get up to killing or maiming hundreds or thousands it is really hard to get jail time.


Different issue, having to do with the definition of murder.

As I see it, this Fuld situation is about the definition of theft.

-Arrian

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We live in a society that punishes people for small scale murder, but once you get up to killing or maiming hundreds or thousands it is really hard to get jail time.

Dude, I'd say it's even worse than that. Once you get past a couple thousand, you're in the folk hero category too. If we can find a way to justify your behavior and/or cast you as a patriot to your "nation-under-siege" you might as well be a lesser god....

-=Vel=-

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Christ. Are you guys going to make me defend this *******?

-Arrian


That would be just like you.

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It is worse.

Young Bob can simply be smoking marijuana in his own home and be busted and sentenced to years of prison shower rape. Yet Fuld gets to play tennis and have his wife/mistress over for conjugal visits.

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It is worse.

Young Bob can simply be smoking marijuana in his own home and be busted and sentenced to years of prison shower rape. Yet Fuld gets to play tennis and have his wife/mistress over for conjugal visits.


You do not understand, Aggie.

Bankers are just messengers for a greater machine - the laws of the market - that are the true and profound expression of human nature.

Marijuana smokers commit an epistemological crime, though, because they consume a substance that affects their perception of reality.

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was to use psychological and physical intimidation. his would be poetic justice, if true.

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There are very very few states where you get prison time for smoking or being in possesion of small quantities of pot. In most places it no worse than a speeding ticket. As long as you're white of course.

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I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, OneFootInTheGrave....after he gets out of the private hospital I'm sure he's been checked into, I doubt he'll be missing any meals...

I'm with the guy who coldcocked him. Why do we treat these people like folk heroes?

-=Vel=-


you should be punching your politicians instead, and not guys like him, as even though he greased the wheels, he greased because "if he doesn't, his competitor will"... and ultimately it is the political "buying" power that politicans encourage which create all this/such mess... I mean punch him for running Lehmann into the wall, but what to do than with Rummy, Wolf, Dick & co for 100k+ dead in Iraq...

but in this particular case, at least his company went under, he lost a clear (and only) billion... sure he has his pension what not... so he is still millionaire, but he pales in the likes of Paulson, Bernarke, Greenspan and especially political arm of this all in White House, Senate and Congress...

So whacking him is a relatively poor choice, but easily "understood" target... people should in reality be whacking those holding the public office now, and 20 years prior, but in reality this would not get them too far... so instead they should be voting... or in the case of Aggie... sitting at home and not doing anything at all...

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Foot,

I couldn't agree more, and believe me, I have a long list of folks I'd love to give similar treatment to.

Being at the gym just made this particular guy a good target of opportunity is all, and I can't fault his assailant much for taking the shot presented.

-=Vel=-

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What the heck happened?! The guy got knocked out and no one thought to "pants" him? What a wasted opportunity.

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You know the system has gone South when Vel is talking like a commie.

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Yessir.

Lots of populism in the office today. People want jail time. I'm sure some is deserved.

More important is to structure things going forward to limit the impact of these people's greedy stupidity. Because greed and stupidity will remain.

-Arrian

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