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King
New York, NY
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Jul 2008
time: 09:09
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The continuation of the "Obama opens up a 9-point lead" thread...
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Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
God, if only there could be a public debate on this. Dear god, please let Obama try to counter Ayers, Johnson, Raines, Rezko and Wright with Abramoff, Keating, Kissinger and Liddy. |
My prayers have been answered!
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Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Monday will launch a multimedia campaign to draw attention to the involvement of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the “Keating Five” savings-and-loan scandal of 1989-91, which blemished McCain’s public image and set him on his course as a self-styled reformer.
Pushing back against what it calls McCain's “guilt-by-association” tactics, the Obama campaign is e-mailing millions of supporters a link to a website, KeatingEconomics.com, which will have a 13-minute documentary on the scandal beginning at noon Eastern time on Monday. The overnight e-mails urge recipients to pass the link on to friends.
The Obama campaign, including its surrogates appearing on radio and television, will argue that the deregulatory fervor that caused massive, cascading savings-and-loan collapses in the late ‘80s was pursued by McCain throughout his career, and helped cause the current credit crisis.
Obama-Biden communications director Dan Pfeiffer said: “While John McCain may want to turn the page on his erratic response to the current economic crisis, we think voters will find his involvement in a similar crisis to be particularly interesting. His involvement with Keating is a window into McCain’s economic past, present, and future.”
Obama’s offensive comes after McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, spent two days telling voters, donors and reporters that Obama showed poor judgment in his relationship with the former radical William Ayers.
McCain’s campaign has vowed to make a major issue of Obama’s Chicago relationships in coming days, with a senior McCain official telling Politico that they are “the vehicle that allows us to question Obama’s truthfulness about his past and his plans for the future.”
The McCain campaign also plans to invoke money launderer Tony Rezko. Officials say they will not bring up Obama's former minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, because McCain has forbade his campaign from using that as an attack. But the officials said outside groups supporting McCain might highlight Wright.
Responding to the Keating blast from the past, a Republican official said the Obama team seemed "frantic" at "the mere mention of the word 'Ayers.'"
“The fact that the Obama team is recycling this old garbage 24 hours after Bill Ayers entered the race is a testament to how worried the Obama camp is of an unfettered airing of his associations," the official said. "Obama is a clever enough politician to know that his unexplored relationships with terrorists and felons are a serious liability in a race this close.” |
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html
Last edited by Naked Gents Rut on 24-10-2008 at 16:03
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Deity
Dance Dance for the Revolution!
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Jan 1970
time: 20:09
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Works both ways... Obama has loose associations with these people while McCain was a member of the Keating 5... which bears a strong resemblence to our current financial crisis.
As for the troll, the Ayers/Rezko stuff has been out there for months, and they didn't bite. Now the GOP plans to use this as it's main attack ad. Dems can't sit on this anymore without responding.
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Emperor
orangesoda
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Nov 2001
time: 18:09
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I find it hard that a candidate can say he's for "change" and against the old politics when he starts turning to things like that... and that's the McCain campaign's strategy it seems. |
They both give the change line and it's bullshit. We already knew this. Those who don't know that by now don't possess the intellectual faculties for facts (or fiction) to even make a dent in their D or R aligned hearts.
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King
New York, NY
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Jul 2008
time: 09:09
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Dems can't sit on this anymore without responding. |
They'd be smart not to, as their media allies have been doing a fine job deflecting any scrutiny of Ayers/Rezko/Wright. Firing back at McCain now just serves to increase scrutiny of both sides' questionable associates, which has the potential to hurt Obama worse than McCain even with the media in the tank. There's no need to run that risk when you're up 8.
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King
New York, NY
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Jul 2008
time: 09:09
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Jesus, Obama is so lucky the economy went in the crapper. His nutroot moron supporters like Drose are forcing him to get in the mud with McCain and it would've lost him the election if it were anywhere close.
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King
New York, NY
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Jul 2008
time: 09:09
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Obama was ahead in polls BEFORE the economy became the issue of the day when it started to tank, bringing about calls for that $700bn sh*t sandwich that started being bandied about. |
No, he wasn't. McCain was ahead when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed and had to be bailed out. His polls number have gone steadily down ever since.
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Deity
Lurking occasionally
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Mar 2003
time: 17:09
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Originally posted by FrostyBoy
Is this economic "crisis" really a crisis at all? Are we going to start seeing millions and millions of homeless Americans now?
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There already were millions of homeless in the US. The question is will there be millions more.
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Are things just being blown out of proportion?
If not, I wonder how the Obama administration plans to fix it. |
I don't think he will say. Maybe he doesn't know yet. FDR simply said he would give Americans a New Deal, but didn't give any specifics when he was campaigning for president.
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Originally posted by DRoseDARs
No, they'd be named Sen. John Kerry not push back against this horsesh*t. Kerry played nice when smeared by outright lies and innuendo and look where it got him. |
Kerry wasn't ahead by this much. It is hard to call someone resorting to "desperate tactics" and then get into the same muck with him.
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King
Portland, OR
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Aug 2001
time: 17:09
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Does Obama really want to go there?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...0,6789688.story
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Obama donor received a state grant
His letter on behalf of a table tennis company preceded the funding.
By Chuck Neubauer and Tom Hamburger, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
April 27, 2008
WASHINGTON -- After an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in 2000, Illinois state Sen. Barack Obama faced serious financial pressure: numerous debts, limited cash and a law practice he had neglected for a year. Help arrived in early 2001 from a significant new legal client -- a longtime political supporter.
Chicago entrepreneur Robert Blackwell Jr. paid Obama an $8,000-a-month retainer to give legal advice to his growing technology firm, Electronic Knowledge Interchange. It allowed Obama to supplement his $58,000 part-time state Senate salary for over a year with regular payments from Blackwell's firm that eventually totaled $112,000.
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Am I missing something? I read the whole article, and what it amounts to is Obama writing a letter recommending Blackwell's company for a grant. Obama didn't have any control over the actual selection of who got the grant. The ethicists in the article even state that Obama certainly did nothing illegal and complied with ethics rules.
So what?
I mean, it's not as if Obama took ritzy vacations at the guy's expense and then actively supported legislation in congress that benifitted him or things like that...
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King
Portland, OR
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Aug 2001
time: 17:09
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Kerry wasn't ahead by this much. It is hard to call someone resorting to "desperate tactics" and then get into the same muck with him. |
Not responding to an opponent smearing you is a good way to lose, even if one is winning. See Dukakis.
If Obama didn't respond, people would be calling him a wimp.
But the thing about this situation is that he didn't start it, and the media narrative is that he didn't start it. The media swooped in on Palin's revolting comments, and the public knows full well who opened the can of worms. So Obama let McCain fire the first salvo, but had a stockpile of ammunition ready for a blistering response. The old codger has essentially walked into a trap. Im out of metaphors for the time being...
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Emperor
of the Big Apple
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Nov 2001
time: 19:09
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Obama met Ayers long after his violent activties were over, and obviously long after any punishment Ayers was given had elapsed. To claim Obama was friends with terrorist is completly idiotic. I could just as easily claim that any Republican who was friendly with Yitzak Shamir was a friend with terrorist, given that Shamir authorized terrorist acts. That would certainly make Ronnie Reagan a friend of terrorists.
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King
Portland, OR
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Aug 2001
time: 17:09
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Originally posted by GePap
Obama met Ayers long after his violent activties were over, and obviously long after any punishment Ayers was given had elapsed. To claim Obama was friends with terrorist is completly idiotic. I could just as easily claim that any Republican who was friendly with Yitzak Shamir was a friend with terrorist, given that Shamir authorized terrorist acts. That would certainly make Ronnie Reagan a friend of terrorists. |
Reagan illegally funded terrorists (Contras). He also sold Saddam Hussein weapons. No need to go to a relatively obscure fellow like Shamir.
This is why the Ayers attacks are stupid and won't get any traction--it's been abundantly shown that Obama had no connection whatsoever with Ayers' activities. They worked together on education reform. OOOOOOOOOOOH. And the program that was implemented has been nationally recognized as a terrific model that produced good results. OOOOOOOH!
So Obama helped kids. McCain took bribes.
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Emperor
Up in the Ayers
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Oct 2002
time: 17:09
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Which is why the democrats are smearing McCain because he is of the same generation as Ayers?
I don't get their campaign.
And I certainly don't trust the recent polls that show a supposed Obamaslide.
It's easy to fix a poll to come out however you want.
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Emperor
of the Big Apple
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Nov 2001
time: 19:09
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ACK!
