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Kong
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Oct 2002
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Well?
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Deity
Lurking occasionally
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Mar 2003
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Abortions for some, miniature American flags for the others!
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Emperor
Maryland
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Nov 2000
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Rape, incest, teen pregnancy, or serious complications to expectant's mother's health and/or to fetus. Also in situations of an impoverished or lower class woman who is pregnant and would find the cost of child-bearing and raising child to be too economically/financially stressful.
I would not favor any law that explicitly prohibits women getting an abortion merely for convenience's sake in other much less serious pregnancy situations. But personally, I find those types of abortions more objectionable.
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Deity
Republic of Texas
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Sep 1999
time: 19:18
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Rape, incest or health of the mother or child. NOT as a contraceptive alternative.
I vote "No", since you make it one or the other.
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Emperor
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Aug 2000
time: 02:18
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quote:
Originally posted by MrFun
Rape, incest, teen pregnancy, or serious complications to expectant's mother's health and/or to fetus. Also in situations of an impoverished or lower class woman who is pregnant and would find the cost of child-bearing and raising child to be too economically/financially stressful.
I would not favor any law that explicitly prohibits women getting an abortion merely for convenience's sake in other much less serious pregnancy situations. But personally, I find those types of abortions more objectionable. |
I agree. I think women should have the right to choose and don't think it's me who can judge an individual case. Yet I'm more than uneasy that a certain number of women seems to take the issue too casual, using abortion merely as a contraceptive.
Last edited by Wernazuma III on 06-10-2008 at 09:21
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Deity
Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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Feb 2001
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I favor abortions, but not a woman's right to choose.
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Prince
Brussels
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Sep 2000
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I compare abortion to amputation.
I oppose amputation, but in some cases, amputation can save life. I think amputation shouldn't be illegal, and should be done at the hospital...
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Pro-choice here. I find it akin to being forced to keep a homeless man in your house on a sub-zero day after you've found him crawling in a window.
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Emperor
Charleston, SC No more ships! A lot more drinking!
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Dec 2001
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That comparison is hopelessly inadequate.
It all depends on when it is a human life, so for all intents and purposes abortion in the first trimester only.
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Originally posted by Patroklos
That comparison is hopelessly inadequate.
It all depends on when it is a human life, so for all intents and purposes abortion in the first trimester only. |
The point of the comparison is that I don't care when or if it's a human life. It has to deal with whether the fetus/baby has your consent to be in your body.
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Emperor
Charleston, SC No more ships! A lot more drinking!
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Dec 2001
time: 01:18
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The point of the comparison is that I don't care when or if it's a human life. It has to deal with whether the fetus/baby has your consent to be in your body. |
Ah, so you don't oppose murder for personal convienience? Or maybe you need to pick a more appropriate comparison.
If you had cosentual sex you have come to terms with the possible consequences, unless you honestly think people don't understand how babies are made.
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Deity
Republic of Texas
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Sep 1999
time: 19:18
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Pro-choice here. I find it akin to being forced to keep a homeless man in your house on a sub-zero day after you've found him crawling in a window. |
That is a ridiculous comparison, Imran. Actually, disgusting. You both invited the baby in.
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I see it as a lottery
In the old days, sex was like a lottery in which 17 times you would get 100 bucks, and 1 time you would get a kick on the balls
Nowadays, because of contraception, you get 100 bucks 98 times, and a kick on the balls only twice
When people decide to participate in that lottery, they know of that small risk of losing, so, if they lose, they have to be responsible about it.
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
That is a ridiculous comparison, Imran. Actually, disgusting. You both invited the baby in. |
No you didn't.
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Deity
Republic of Texas
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Sep 1999
time: 19:18
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Yes, you did. Coping with it by denying it is pathetic.
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Originally posted by Patroklos
If you had cosentual sex you have come to terms with the possible consequences, unless you honestly think people don't understand how babies are made. |
You consented to sex, not to have a parasite in your body. It may have been a forseeable consequence, but the consent was not there. Therefore, if you want it to leave, you should have that right.
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Emperor
Charleston, SC No more ships! A lot more drinking!
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Dec 2001
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That is one of the worst characteristics of some of the pro-choice crowd, their complete inability to admit what they are doing. It detracts from their position unnecessarily.
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Emperor
Charleston, SC No more ships! A lot more drinking!
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Dec 2001
time: 01:18
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You consented to sex, not to have a parasite in your body. It may have been a forseeable consequence, but the consent was not there. Therefore, if you want it to leave, you should have that right. |
Except that in this case the result is not say a car accident or forclosure like the forseeable but negative consequance of other common activities (note the infrequency doesn't absolve your from the consequences), but rather a human life.
Now, if you believe that for some or all of the pregnancy that there is no human life and abortion is thus okay then fine, but to pretend that pregnancy isn't a known consequence of consenting activity is dishonest to say the least. The only question is what the consequenses of that action entail.
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Prince
Ghent
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Apr 2002
time: 02:18
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quote:
Originally posted by MrFun
Rape, incest, teen pregnancy, or serious complications to expectant's mother's health and/or to fetus. Also in situations of an impoverished or lower class woman who is pregnant and would find the cost of child-bearing and raising child to be too economically/financially stressful.
I would not favor any law that explicitly prohibits women getting an abortion merely for convenience's sake in other much less serious pregnancy situations. But personally, I find those types of abortions more objectionable. |
Sounds about right to me !!!
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Deity
Republic of Texas
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Sep 1999
time: 19:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You consented to sex, not to have a parasite in your body. It may have been a forseeable consequence, but the consent was not there. Therefore, if you want it to leave, you should have that right. |
Imran, I had hopes that as you grew older, you would also grow wiser. I see that's not the case. Parasite?
Given it's your offspring, you might be correct. How about this. an abortion and then a trip for you and your "pardner" to the nearest spay and neuter facility?
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Prince
Ghent
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Apr 2002
time: 02:18
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
Rape, incest or health of the mother or child. NOT as a contraceptive alternative.
I vote "No", since you make it one or the other. |
For someone who pricipally thinks state interference should be kept to a minimum you sure like push your own absolute values onto other people.
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The biggest struggle I have with the issue of abortion is knowing that in the old days parents discarded unwanted babies. Whether they were unwanted because they were deformed or because they were simply born at a bad time in the parents life, it used to be common practice. We have fairy tales about it it was so common.
Ultimately though I think that the decision for an abortion is up to both of the parents, if either one of them wants to keep the child the mother should be made to bear it.
I know, I'm a terrible woman hater, but lets face it everyone knows sex makes babies.
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