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THINK OF ALL THE CHILDREN! You are a sick maniac, I hope they arrest your dope smoking self for being irresponsible drug fanatic"!
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Mar 2003
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The goal is prevention. You have to show kids that there is a connection between using drugs and ending up in prison or in other situations.
There's a campaign going on against meth right now that is very good. It's coming to Oklahoma. It's an hour show that they are playing on all the tv channels. It makes meth use look very bad so that kids won't want to start using it.
This is what has to be done because kids don't connect using those dangerous drugs with the bad results that come with it until it's too late and they are addicted.
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King
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Mar 2002
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Marijuana's illegality is based on racism and ignorance. Why it remains illegal in the US, I don't know. The benefits we would reap by legalizing marijuana and expanding the growing and use of hemp are astounding.
I don't have too much of a problem with drugs like cocaine, meth, etc being illegal, but I agree the focus should be on rehabilitation, and not simply jailtime for drug users.
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Xrr ZRRRRRRR!!
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Feb 2002
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Have you ever heard of flashbanks? Once you do ACID, it will be embedded in your METABOLOSM forever. In your CELLS man, in your CELLS!
You will die in agony and pain, or jump off the roof if you take that crazy drug. Mushrooms, same story, jarimuana, there is no safe drug so you will die in agony and pain and hallucinating, you will probably hurt other people while "fighting the devil".
Yes you deserve to be arrested, molested and locked up!"
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Prince
State Of Denial
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Apr 2007
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quote:
Originally posted by Verto
Marijuana's illegality is based on racism and ignorance. Why it remains illegal in the US, I don't know. The benefits we would reap by legalizing marijuana and expanding the growing and use of hemp are astounding.
I don't have too much of a problem with drugs like cocaine, meth, etc being illegal, but I agree the focus should be on rehabilitation, and not simply jailtime for drug users. |
Very true. I seem to recall that marijuana was made illegal as an excuse to kick Mexicans out of the country.
As for why drugs stay illegal, there are many reasons.
a) People vote for politicians who are tough on drugs.
b) Creating anti-drug legislation/bureaucracies is a nifty way to "make an impact" and/or funnel money to your constituency.
c) Americans (and maybe other countries, but I only know America) are all about negative reinforcement, and not positive reinforcement. Better to punish than to prevent. I think it's at least partially a power thing.
d) People are stupid. They are (at least partially) against legalizing drugs because they believe it will cause an increase in crime and drug use. When you point out how Prohibition actually increased the cachet of drinking, and created a vibrant black market for criminals to exploit, people can't see the similarity between prohibiting alcohol and prohibiting drugs. Similarly, when you point out how countries that have laxer or non-existent laws against minors drinking, have minors that tend to drink more responsibly, they can't process it.
e) You generally only hear the horror stories about drug use, you don't hear about the people who use and don't fall apart. Granted, for some of the drugs, there aren't many, if any, who can use for a lengthy period of time and keep it together, but a lot of people seem to be able to smoke pot and remain functional...
I'm sure there are others, but that's just what I can pull out my butt.
Does anyone else find it interesting that the push to legalize pot is seemingly gaining momentum (albeit a very small amount) while the push to eradicate tobacco is gaining strength? Oh, yeah, in America, sometimes forget this is an international board. 
Last edited by Seedle on 03-10-2008 at 03:49
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King
Don King of the Apolyton HLA Movement
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Dec 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Kidicious
The goal is prevention. You have to show kids that there is a connection between using drugs and ending up in prison or in other situations.
There's a campaign going on against meth right now that is very good. It's coming to Oklahoma. It's an hour show that they are playing on all the tv channels. It makes meth use look very bad so that kids won't want to start using it.
This is what has to be done because kids don't connect using those dangerous drugs with the bad results that come with it until it's too late and they are addicted. |
Oklahoma's being trying things like that, specifically targeted at meth, since I lived in OKC nearly 10 years ago. Looks like it's done a world of good.
On your larger point, wouldn't it be better to find more effective ways to alert kids to the inherent negatives of drug use, rather than create artificial negatives to attach to drug use?
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Prince
State Of Denial
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Apr 2007
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quote:
Originally posted by Solomwi
Oklahoma's being trying things like that, specifically targeted at meth, since I lived in OKC nearly 10 years ago. Looks like it's done a world of good.
On your larger point, wouldn't it be better to find more effective ways to alert kids to the inherent negatives of drug use, rather than create artificial negatives to attach to drug use? |
This would require parents/teachers/authority figures to be honest to kids and treat them as human beings, not puppets. Not going to happen. Also, as I said, if you don't create negatives, and agencies to execute those negatives, you can't suck money and power towards you.
It's a specific example of the general problem in U.S. ideology, at least as I see it and experience it. Educating, empowering, and giving responsibility to people is frowned upon. (though given lots of positive lip service) This is because empowered, educated, competent people don't need those in power monitoring there every move. If people don't need the people in power, they people in power don't have a job. So restriction and control are the preferred methods of achieving goals, rather than education and freedom.
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King
I'm getting tired and sweaty, but I'll still touch it, if you'll still let me
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Apr 2000
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whether drugs are legal or illegal, it's clear that you are going to have large numbers of people using drugs, often in a dangerous way. therefore, it becomes a question of how you deal with that.
the way we deal with it at present plainly doesn't work. it spends our money criminalising people using recreational drugs, whilst at the same time offering very little help to problem drugs users and no solutions to the issues they create. except of course locking them up in overcrowded prisons, where drugs are rife and the programs to help people are woefully inadequate. in short, it costs a fortune to achieve next to nothing.
what would be a more sensible approach in my view would be to legalise all drugs and use some of the enormous amount of tax revenue from the same to do a number of things. offer honest, high quality education for young people about drugs. tell them about the good and the bad and leave them make their own decisions. offer proper support and rehabilitation for those with a drug problem.
of course this wouldn't be a magic bullet, but it would be a significant improvement on the present situation. naturally it won't happen, because most people, and practically all politicians, are wedded to the "drugs are BAAAADDD!!!!!11" mindset and unable to see past that.
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Deity
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Mar 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Space05us
Maybe more studies need to be done on why people use drugs to begin with. As well as how and why people become addicted. But since the drugs aren't even allowed to be released to researchers we are left in the dark on that subject. |
This program has done studies on why kids start using meth. More importantly they've done studies on what keeps kids from using them. That's why it works.
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King
Don King of the Apolyton HLA Movement
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Dec 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Seedle
This would require parents/teachers/authority figures to be honest to kids and treat them as human beings, not puppets. Not going to happen. Also, as I said, if you don't create negatives, and agencies to execute those negatives, you can't suck money and power towards you.
It's a specific example of the general problem in U.S. ideology, at least as I see it and experience it. Educating, empowering, and giving responsibility to people is frowned upon. (though given lots of positive lip service) This is because empowered, educated, competent people don't need those in power monitoring there every move. If people don't need the people in power, they people in power don't have a job. So restriction and control are the preferred methods of achieving goals, rather than education and freedom. |
Well put. I started to add a more specific point about entrenched interests having a lot to lose if the Drug War ended to your list, but decided it fell close enough
to your #2.
Kid, I only lived there two years, and saw several new ways tried. If this one works, it will be about damn time. Been down to the Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge yet? Nothing grand, but it's an interesting little day trip.
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Deity
Lurking occasionally
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Mar 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Solomwi
Kid, I only lived there two years, and saw several new ways tried. If this one works, it will be about damn time. Been down to the Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge yet? Nothing grand, but it's an interesting little day trip. |
Is that where they have the big cats? I think I've heard of that but haven't been. I'll check it out. Thanx.
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Prince
State Of Denial
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Apr 2007
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Thank you, Solomwi.
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Deity
Republic of Texas
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People that talk about losing the battle in Iraq need to look around our own country. War on drugs being a prime example. Let's don't legalize and tax it. That makes too much sense. Let's do 700 billion dollar bailouts and increase existing gas taxes and all others. Sure, that's smart.
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King
Don King of the Apolyton HLA Movement
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Dec 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Kidicious
Is that where they have the big cats? I think I've heard of that but haven't been. I'll check it out. Thanx. |
Not sure what big cats you're talking about. WMRF has a shitload of buffalo, longhorns and elk, plus a couple of prairie dog patches. It's down near Lawton, but I-44 pretty much all the way, so not a bad drive. Our main office was in Shawnee, and we had a satellite plant in Altus. Our Altus manager was driving back from a meeting at the main office one night and hit a buffalo doing about 30 through the refuge. Totalled his company truck, but according to him the buffalo just looked at him as if to say "Are you that ****ing stupid?" and walked off unharmed.
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Sep 2001
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Originally posted by Space05us
 I'm drunk, I'm scared enough not to touch other ****. Though I have considered trying mushrooms, acid, and marijuana for their perception altering effects.
I haven't tried them though because I don't feel like going psychotic (just yet). |
Mushrooms and acid actually aren't as bad as the media has made them out to be. Mushrooms taste nasty, and might make you sick to your stomach, but are otherwise quite safe. Acid was given to psychiatric patients in the 50s for therapeutic purposes, and wasn't associated with causing any problems.
I believe that a lot of the stigma comes from ignorance and fear, coupled with bad science. The US government, for example, used to administer acid to unknowing subjects. That caused problems, because acid is kind of scary if you're not taking it on purpose.
The thing is, if you know what's going on (i.e. "I just took drugs that cause hallucinations, so I shouldn't be surprised when weird things happen") you'll be okay. Neither acid nor mushrooms have been linked to long term psychological effects (excluding DEA-funded hack science), and neither are addictive.
The real problem is finding them. Mushrooms are easy to find where they grow wild, but acid is damn near impossible.
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Deity
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I know druggies who wouldn't touch acid for the longest time due to their parents/friends going scarily insane on it.
I personally haven't touched it, and don't plan on. It isn't safe.
JM
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Deity
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Mar 2003
time: 18:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Solomwi
Not sure what big cats you're talking about. WMRF has a shitload of buffalo, longhorns and elk, plus a couple of prairie dog patches. It's down near Lawton, but I-44 pretty much all the way, so not a bad drive. Our main office was in Shawnee, and we had a satellite plant in Altus. Our Altus manager was driving back from a meeting at the main office one night and hit a buffalo doing about 30 through the refuge. Totalled his company truck, but according to him the buffalo just looked at him as if to say "Are you that ****ing stupid?" and walked off unharmed. |
The OKC Zoo has a new Native Oklahoma exhibit with those kinds of animals. It's pretty cool. The Zoo got a lot bigger though, and now I get tired walking through it.
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Deity
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Anti-meth campaign to take to the state's airwaves
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OKLAHOMA CITY — The state is about to launch an all-out, prime-time assault against methamphetamine use.
Darrell Weaver, director of the Oklahoma Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Control, advised the District Attorneys Council board Thursday that most of the state's television stations have agreed to televise a 28-minute documentary on the state's meth problem simultaneously at 6:30 p.m. Jan. 13.
"Crystal Darkness Oklahoma" will launch what Weaver called an unprecedented grass-roots movement that will involve state agencies, law enforcement agencies, faith-based groups, civic organizations and educators in an attempt to make the public more aware of the dangers that meth poses to youths and their families.
On the night the documentary is aired, Weaver said, watch parties, community forums and town hall meetings will be held across the state. A hot line will be in place to address people who want help, have questions or want to report meth activity.
Because of the dangers of meth, Weaver said, those involved in the program will take multiple steps to ensure that it becomes more than a one-night effort.
More details are expected to be unveiled at a news conference next week.
Oklahoma first lady Kim Henry and Wes Lane of the Burbridge Foundation will be co-chairmen of the awareness campaign, which was first used in Nevada.
Paul Sund, a spokesman for Gov. Brad Henry, said the campaign has been effective in addressing parents' fears and getting the message out about the dangers of meth.
Meth reportedly ranks among the top three illegal drugs of choice in Oklahoma.
It is now considered the state's biggest substance-abuse problem behind alcohol because of how rapidly it hooks people and the physical and mental toll it takes on users.
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Freeciv Developer
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Jan 1970
time: 03:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Kidicious
The goal is prevention. You have to show kids that there is a connection between using drugs and ending up in prison or in other situations.
There's a campaign going on against meth right now that is very good. It's coming to Oklahoma. It's an hour show that they are playing on all the tv channels. It makes meth use look very bad so that kids won't want to start using it.
This is what has to be done because kids don't connect using those dangerous drugs with the bad results that come with it until it's too late and they are addicted. |
If the drugs are so obviously bad then tell people about the obvious bad effects. No reason to put people in jail for victimless crime.
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Deity
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Mar 2003
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Originally posted by Thue
If the drugs are so obviously bad then tell people about the obvious bad effects. No reason to put people in jail for victimless crime. |
Jail is actually a better place for them. I'd prefer there be better treatment in jail though, and shorter sentences.
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Freeciv Developer
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Jan 1970
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Since
1) you don't seem to believe that marijuana should be legalized
2) marijuana is less dangerous than tobacco or alcohol
3) you believe that people who use dangerous drugs should go to jail
I assume you think that everybody who drinks or smokes should go to jail?
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If they have half a brain they wouldn't touch it anyway.
dtiwon!:
