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Koyaanisqatsi
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It seems I've unexpectedly become the owner of an XBox360...now what? I haven't been paying attention to console gaming for a while now since I figured I'd be sitting this generation out. Are there any good RPGs, or are they all still Playstation titles? I saw Fable II and Mass Effect, both of which look interesting. Strategy? CivRev looks like it took out all the parts of Civ that I actually liked. Is it worth buying a wireless bridge for Live, or paying for the upgraded service? What else do I need to know?

El_Cid
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good ventilation!!(serious)

games wise Mass Effect is a good choice rpg wise, atleast my 360 buddy enthused about it for a few weeks(a good sign for a console!).

If you want to spend lots of money then Live is a good choice and you get to try the more interesting titles on XBLA etc.

try a site like metacritic to get a good overall picture on what games got rated well across the board:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/xbox360/

shame they cut the price for a 360 so much recently otherwise I might have suggested ebay

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You want to be connected to the net for updates and demos and dlc.

Only pay for live if you want play mp online, otherwise unnecessary.

If you like rpgs, this is a good time to come into a 360:
Tales of Vesperia just game out, same with Infinite Undiscovery-I haven't played either, no time til november I'm afraid.
Fable2
Blue Dragon you can find for probably 10-15$, jrpg much better than the demo.
Lost Odyssey

My favorite 360 games are:
Dead Rising
Mass Effect
Crackdown

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Mass Effect is terrific.

Asher
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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
It seems I've unexpectedly become the owner of an XBox360...now what?

Play it. Did you buy it due to the pricecut? If so that's pretty quick...

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I haven't been paying attention to console gaming for a while now since I figured I'd be sitting this generation out. Are there any good RPGs, or are they all still Playstation titles?

Almost all of the next-gen RPGs are actually 360 titles.

Sorted list of 360 RPG reviews on IGN.


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I saw Fable II and Mass Effect, both of which look interesting.

Fable II isn't out yet but looks interesting, Mass Effect is great.

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Strategy? CivRev looks like it took out all the parts of Civ that I actually liked.

Strategy reviews sorted by scores on IGN.

There's not many strategy games on consoles.

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Is it worth buying a wireless bridge for Live, or paying for the upgraded service? What else do I need to know?

Unless you're going to be playing games online, you don't need to pay for Xbox Live Gold. But being online at least semi-regularly is good for updates, demos, Xbox Live Aracade downloads, etc. One thing you may be surprised at is how many good XBLA games there are and how quick you accumulate a collection.

Koyaanisqatsi
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Originally posted by El_Cid
good ventilation!!(serious)


Hmm, hadn't thought about that...are the cooling problems really as bad as the Mass Hysteria reports say, or is it just an excuse to sell you a giant external fan?

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Originally posted by Asher
Play it. Did you buy it due to the pricecut? If so that's pretty quick...


Sort of...I got a Wii as a gift, but I didn't see many games I was interested in so the price cut allowed me to switch.

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Unless you're going to be playing games online, you don't need to pay for Xbox Live Gold. But being online at least semi-regularly is good for updates, demos, Xbox Live Aracade downloads, etc. One thing you may be surprised at is how many good XBLA games there are and how quick you accumulate a collection.


Yeah, hopefully. The only thing that might have convinced me to keep the Wii is virtual console, so it would be nice if XBLA could partially replace that. But I figured it wasn't worth keeping the Wii just to play games I can probably emulate anyway.

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
It seems I've unexpectedly become the owner of an XBox360...now what? I haven't been paying attention to console gaming for a while now since I figured I'd be sitting this generation out. Are there any good RPGs, or are they all still Playstation titles? I saw Fable II and Mass Effect, both of which look interesting. Strategy? CivRev looks like it took out all the parts of Civ that I actually liked. Is it worth buying a wireless bridge for Live, or paying for the upgraded service? What else do I need to know?


RPGs:

Mass Effect
Tales of Vesperia
Lost Odyssey

The others aren't much cop.

Don't buy CivRev if you have a PC because it's really awful to any real civver.

Xbox Live is worth it if you play online a decent amount (if not a silver account gives you everything but online play), but the wireless bridge is a rip - you can get better non-MS ones for a fraction of the price.

Koyaanisqatsi
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but the wireless bridge is a rip - you can get better non-MS ones for a fraction of the price.


Well yeah, I was just going to use a cheap router with DD-WRT. Just wasn't sure if the online connection was necessary enough to do even that.

Asher
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You can probably get an ethernet bridge for pretty cheap also.

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It is pretty important. Without a connection you cannot:

Upload times to leaderboards (for racing games)
Upload scores to leaderboards (for lots of games)
Download demos or movies
Play MP (obviously)
Download Arcade games (though not that many are worth downloading)
See how much better at games you are than Asher.

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
It seems I've unexpectedly become the owner of an XBox360...now what?


Make sure you have a fantastic HDTV and surround sound, and enjoy.

Asher
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Originally posted by DrSpike
It is pretty important. Without a connection you cannot:

Upload times to leaderboards (for racing games)
Upload scores to leaderboards (for lots of games)
Download demos or movies
Play MP (obviously)
Download Arcade games (though not that many are worth downloading)
See how much better at games you are than Asher.


Achievements do not dictate how good one is at a game, it's more of a representation of their attention span and dedication to a game. For instance, DrSpike has 1000 points in Forza 2 which is absolutely pathetic as it's a ridiculous game for achievements.

For me it demonstrates I get a lot of games. play them once, then move on. For the economically disadvantaged people such as DrSpike, they play the freebie bundled games to death only.

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Achievements do not dictate how good one is at a game, it's more of a representation of their attention span and dedication to a game. For instance, DrSpike has 1000 points in Forza 2 which is absolutely pathetic as it's a ridiculous game for achievements.

For me it demonstrates I get a lot of games. play them once, then move on. For the economically disadvantaged people such as DrSpike, they play the freebie bundled games to death only.


Actually I agree achievements don't count for much - but the dedication does. Real gamers find games that resonate with them, like Forza, which has depth and replayability in spades, and attempt to take it to the highest level they can.

Casual gamers are constantly shifting on a whim. At the end of the day you aren't really much removed from the Wii shovelware lovers you despise.

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Best Games on XBox 360

* Bioshock! (atmospheric, story-driven, rpg-like shooter... if you can make it past the gruesome first level, it's a nice horror game)
* Mass Effect
* Halo 3 (For Multi-Player)
* Call of Duty 4 (For Multi-Player)

okay
* Dead Rising. (nice storyline. Takes a bunch of skill though.)

Over-Hyped
* Assassin's Creed... Every ...level ...is ...the ... same... thing.
* Blue Dragon (Yawn RPG)
* Devil May Cry 4... (Okay... but repetitive.)

Asher
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Actually I agree achievements don't count for much - but the dedication does. Real gamers find games that resonate with them, like Forza, which has depth and replayability in spades, and attempt to take it to the highest level they can.

Casual gamers are constantly shifting on a whim. At the end of the day you aren't really much removed from the Wii shovelware lovers you despise.


If I'm a casual gamer, why do I have more points than you?

Don't play games with me. You're an economist and I'm not, which means I've got a tremendous intellectual advantage on you. This just isn't fair.

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Originally posted by Asher For instance, DrSpike has 1000 points in Forza 2 which is absolutely pathetic as it's a ridiculous game for achievements.



christ, that's insane!

Asher
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What is your XBL name, Koy?

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Since it's somewhat relevant.

Here are the threads I could find listing gamertags on XBL

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=178871

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=170837

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=153956

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=153954

Koyaanisqatsi
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What is your XBL name, Koy?


Haven't set it up yet, waiting on the router. The new ones in local stores either aren't supported yet or are brands I don't trust, so I just got an older model online. I didn't want a straight bridge since I'm hoping to set up a media PC at some point too and a converted router means I'll have a switch built in. Besides, living in the middle of nowhere as I do, the cheapest straight bridge I could find was $80.

Did play some tonight...I decided to try CivRev. It'll take some getting used to, not entirely sure I like it, but I can see the short games fitting into my schedule a lot better than the Civ4 marathons I used to play and had to mostly give up. I'll probably try Mass Effect this weekend or next week. I think I like the wrong kind of game...lots of text and an old 29" composite-only CRT is kinda painful. May have to try a sports or racing game at some point.

Bioshock is a shooter? I thought it was a steampunk-flavor adventure/rpg game. Told you I haven't been paying attention...

I miss the old giant Xbox controller...most people may have thought it was too big, but it fit my hands just right. I keep hitting these shoulder buttons by accident.

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If I'm a casual gamer, why do I have more points than you?


Above you argued that points are not correlated with how skilled someone is. I agreed because it's pretty trivial for anyone to buy lots of games, complete them on easy (which these days means you only really have to be able to grasp the game rules to win, and sometimes not even that), and move on.

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Hmm, hadn't thought about that...are the cooling problems really as bad as the Mass Hysteria reports say, or is it just an excuse to sell you a giant external fan?


No it's not a 100% problem, but with any next-gen(current-gen) system making sure the air flow is good around the box is just a good idea imho.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360 - look down at the "technical problems"

My mates 360 does run pretty hot - and he had the "ring of death" thing. That got fixed, but his system does feel hot(he's uses a bedside fan as he doesn't trust it not breaking on him again!!) when in normal use and extended use. To the touch it's about twice as hot as the original xbox i would guess?
Just something to be aware off, like don't go stacking lots of things around it, give it room to breathe and it will be fine.

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Well... Bioshock is a "biopunk" action/adventure game set in the 1950s... It's not like a Doom or a Quake in terms of "shooting"... but the main point is to kill things in interesting ways. There are a few cute puzzles, but they're not necessary to beating the game--- they are what make it amazing, however!

Look into some reviews- I think you'll find it interesting. I really can't compare it to any other game.

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Above you argued that points are not correlated with how skilled someone is.

Hello, genius.

Casual and hardcore gamers are not differentiated on skill, but how often they play games. Since I've got more points and play more games than you, it can not be said that I am a casual gamer.

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Hmm, hadn't thought about that...are the cooling problems really as bad as the Mass Hysteria reports say, or is it just an excuse to sell you a giant external fan?

The external fans actually hurt, don't help.

If you got a console in August or later of this year, it's got both the 65nm CPU and GPU and the updated cooling. It's not a big problem at all, just be sure you don't close up the vents.

(For the uninitiated, the original Xbox 360s were 90nm CPUs and GPUs, then last year they changed the CPUs to 65nm and GPUs stayed at 90nm, and now they're both 65nm. 65nm means they are smaller, take less power, and run cooler...and are cheaper to manufacture. It's why MS can cut the price like it did, since the GPU is a big piece of the cost.)

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Hello, genius.

Casual and hardcore gamers are not differentiated on skill, but how often they play games. Since I've got more points and play more games than you, it can not be said that I am a casual gamer.


Your logic is even more flawed than usual. Achievement points are not only a poor measure of skill, they are also a poor measure of how often people play games, which is your chosen discriminator.

If person A plays lots of games once on easy, and person B plays less games more intensively, but still more overall, person A can (and very often would) have the higher score. This same person A would by your metric be the more casual gamer.

You may or may not be a casual gamer, but you are certainly casual with the soundness of your arguments.

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Originally posted by Asher

The external fans actually hurt, don't help.

If you got a console in August or later of this year, it's got both the 65nm CPU and GPU and the updated cooling. It's not a big problem at all, just be sure you don't close up the vents.

(For the uninitiated, the original Xbox 360s were 90nm CPUs and GPUs, then last year they changed the CPUs to 65nm and GPUs stayed at 90nm, and now they're both 65nm. 65nm means they are smaller, take less power, and